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#681 Postby KWT » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:31 pm

In the end nuclear may be the only way to stave off constant energy rises, I don't think its ever going to go down to even close what we had even 10-15 years ago unless an enormous oil reserve is found in a stable country.
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#682 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:33 pm

Theres a risk with walking down the street or driving your car to work. Life is full of risk and that is why we have not want back to the moon in 40 freaking years. We humans have no will to take risk.

In fact nuclear plants have became very safe over the last 20 years. Hell we don't even need to build them above the surface, we could build them under ground if need be. Also it would last hundreds of years and would allow for a advance system of enery to power our nation. A hundred years from now our grand children will look back with pride, as we look back with pride with our freeway system and airplanes today.
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#683 Postby feederband » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:51 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Theres a risk with walking down the street or driving your car to work. Life is full of risk and that is why we have not want back to the moon in 40 freaking years. We humans have no will to take risk.

In fact nuclear plants have became very safe over the last 20 years. Hell we don't even need to build them above the surface, we could build them under ground if need be. Also it would last hundreds of years and would allow for a advance system of enery to power our nation. A hundred years from now our grand children will look back with pride, as we look back with pride with our freeway system and airplanes today.


Yeah the fix for now would be Nuclear...And if our grand children have 3 eyes and 12 toes because of it ....Well who's to say thats a bad thing... :wink:
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#684 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:55 pm

feederband wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Theres a risk with walking down the street or driving your car to work. Life is full of risk and that is why we have not want back to the moon in 40 freaking years. We humans have no will to take risk.

In fact nuclear plants have became very safe over the last 20 years. Hell we don't even need to build them above the surface, we could build them under ground if need be. Also it would last hundreds of years and would allow for a advance system of enery to power our nation. A hundred years from now our grand children will look back with pride, as we look back with pride with our freeway system and airplanes today.


Yeah the fix for now would be Nuclear...And if our grand children have 3 eyes and 12 toes because of it ....Well who's to say thats a bad thing... :wink:


Who's to say that we don't have the tech right now to make it safe enough not to worrie about that?

But anyways other than nuclear there is no way to keep our economy the way it currently is, with out a down turn. You have to think about this very closely. Maybe if Fusion becomes a reality even better!
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#685 Postby george_r_1961 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:03 pm

I really hate to sound like a broken record here but the reason for the high oil prices is price manipulation. Nothing more, nothing less.
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#686 Postby feederband » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:32 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
feederband wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Theres a risk with walking down the street or driving your car to work. Life is full of risk and that is why we have not want back to the moon in 40 freaking years. We humans have no will to take risk.

In fact nuclear plants have became very safe over the last 20 years. Hell we don't even need to build them above the surface, we could build them under ground if need be. Also it would last hundreds of years and would allow for a advance system of enery to power our nation. A hundred years from now our grand children will look back with pride, as we look back with pride with our freeway system and airplanes today.


Yeah the fix for now would be Nuclear...And if our grand children have 3 eyes and 12 toes because of it ....Well who's to say thats a bad thing... :wink:


Who's to say that we don't have the tech right now to make it safe enough not to worrie about that?

But anyways other than nuclear there is no way to keep our economy the way it currently is, with out a down turn. You have to think about this very closely. Maybe if Fusion becomes a reality even better!


Nuc is really safe and its in the now...
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#687 Postby feederband » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:34 pm

george_r_1961 wrote:I really hate to sound like a broken record here but the reason for the high oil prices is price manipulation. Nothing more, nothing less.


heh 50/50 the Asians got off their bikes and got cars...All of them at one time... :eek: :wink:
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#688 Postby senorpepr » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:11 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
feederband wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Theres a risk with walking down the street or driving your car to work. Life is full of risk and that is why we have not want back to the moon in 40 freaking years. We humans have no will to take risk.

In fact nuclear plants have became very safe over the last 20 years. Hell we don't even need to build them above the surface, we could build them under ground if need be. Also it would last hundreds of years and would allow for a advance system of enery to power our nation. A hundred years from now our grand children will look back with pride, as we look back with pride with our freeway system and airplanes today.


Yeah the fix for now would be Nuclear...And if our grand children have 3 eyes and 12 toes because of it ....Well who's to say thats a bad thing... :wink:


Who's to say that we don't have the tech right now to make it safe enough not to worrie about that?

But anyways other than nuclear there is no way to keep our economy the way it currently is, with out a down turn. You have to think about this very closely. Maybe if Fusion becomes a reality even better!


For the most part, nuclear technology was ALWAYS safe. For instance, take Chernobyl. That disaster was spawned by a emergency core cooling test. When the test began to fail, safety procedures were overriden to carry the test through. Had the procedures been adhered to... there most likely would have been no issue at all.
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#689 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:56 pm

feederband,

that is mere fearmongering on your part
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Re: Oil price over $142 for the first time

#690 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:11 pm

Derek I think feederband meant that as a joke. He did wink.

As far as Nuclear is concerned, it probably is the best and safest for now. However, even those plants take years to build and get up and running. In the meantimewe will continue to pay out the kazoo for our energy resources no matter what we do. BUT WE MUST DO SOMETHING SOON FOR THE FUTURE!! Fusion would solve all of our domestic electric generation problems if it was perfected and made safe, but then again we are still talking years before we could reap the benefits, even if it were perfected tomorrow. There is no easy solution.
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#691 Postby feederband » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:02 pm

Wink,wink,wink.... :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

I would put a nuc plant in my backyard if it would give me $2.00 gas..
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#692 Postby gtalum » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:44 am

george_r_1961 wrote:I really hate to sound like a broken record here but the reason for the high oil prices is price manipulation. Nothing more, nothing less.


That's not the sole reason, but it's one of the big two. The other is currency devaluation caused by massive government budget deficits.
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Re: Oil price over $142 for the first time

#693 Postby Stephanie » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:51 am

[quote="senorpepr]
For the most part, nuclear technology was ALWAYS safe. For instance, take Chernobyl. That disaster was spawned by a emergency core cooling test. When the test began to fail, safety procedures were overriden to carry the test through. Had the procedures been adhered to... there most likely would have been no issue at all.[/quote]

Then again, there was the Three Mile Island accident in 1979. I do realize that was back in the 1970's and technology has come a long way since then. That accident was one of the main reasons why nuclear plants were not developed since then. I don't think that anything is 100% full proof or 100% safe. However, an accident with a nuclear power plant causes more devastating affects on people than an oil accident. There's a lot of things to weigh out with this source of energy.

There's three nuclear plants in PA, one in NJ. Limerick in PA and Oyster Creek in NJ are two that are fairly close to me (within 50 miles) so if an accident were to occur, I'd have a problem. I guess that I just don't trust any corporation to do the right thing anymore. It's almost always bottom line versus safety.
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#694 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:18 pm

I also have a nuke plant not too far from me

It survived the full cat 5 winds of Andrew with very minimal damage
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#695 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:22 pm

Just watching "World's Wildest Police Videos" I saw a gas station and $1.20 for the regular. Dream days of the past!
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#696 Postby Stephanie » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:01 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:I also have a nuke plant not too far from me

It survived the full cat 5 winds of Andrew with very minimal damage



That's great and that was a very severe test of it's outer structure. I was more referring to an accidental meltdown, emissions released into the air and even a possible act of terrorism.
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#697 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:30 am

We waste enough money doing other worthless things, how about for once we put some of it to good use. I'm talking about how about putting nuclear plants about .5 of a mile under the ground and out in the middle of a desert? It would be under ground, so harder to attack, and much less likely "if" something that goe's wrong will do anything bad to the environment or to peoples health. Even how small of a chance that is.

How wish we could "think" about doing something like this. Maybe even a whole network of plants that can power every city in the country. There was a time when we would of done it if the tech was there!
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Re: Oil price over $142 for the first time

#698 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:39 am

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25446410

Well a new record high,$143 early this morning on Israel / Iran tensions.
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#699 Postby Cryomaniac » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:00 am

Currently at $142.85, according to kitco.com. I can see the price rising a lot more today.
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#700 Postby feederband » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:14 am

I cant wait for the day that this thread is no longer watched..
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