If we win this war...?

[OtherHD]

There is another message board that I hang around at occasionally, but it is predominantly anti-war/anti-Bush...you know...extremely liberal. They like to blame Bush for literally EVERY ill this world has faced. And when someone tries to object to that, that person is ignored or vehemently insulted.

So I asked myself...

What if we win this war with Iraq? Let's say (hypothetically, of course) that we go in, win a decisive victory, and the economy makes a huge turnaround, like it usually does after a war. Casualties were low, unemployment sinks, gas prices drop, all-in-all, life is good. Will the liberals try to spin something up? Anything to blame Bush for? How will they react? Will they concede defeat and admit that Bush made the right choice? Or will they still be the same closed-minded, "I hate Bush and everything he stands for" type people? Thoughts, comments? Am I asking too many questions?

[rainstorm]

bush needs to ignore the liberals. they will hate him regardless of what he does

[Arizwx]

There is another message board that I hang around at occasionally, but it is predominantly anti-war/anti-Bush...you know...extremely liberal. They like to blame Bush for literally EVERY ill this world has faced. And when someone tries to object to that, that person is ignored or vehemently insulted.

So I asked myself...

What if we win this war with Iraq? Let's say (hypothetically, of course) that we go in, win a decisive victory, and the economy makes a huge turnaround, like it usually does after a war. Casualties were low, unemployment sinks, gas prices drop, all-in-all, life is good. Will the liberals try to spin something up? Anything to blame Bush for? How will they react? Will they concede defeat and admit that Bush made the right choice? Or will they still be the same closed-minded, "I hate Bush and everything he stands for" type people? Thoughts, comments? Am I asking too many questions?

No offense,
However,'If we win this war'???What on earth are you talking about?That is a foregone conclusion.
Secondly,Bush has made some mistakes.Is that Un-American to express that in your cloistered view?I am not a liberal,BTW..rather a Red Blooded All American Boy.Therefore,I will post anywhere I see fit to express an intelligent and engaging discussion that is open minded enough to address subjects that affect us all...whether or not you may deem them Anti-Bush.If,you post on another BB that you feel uncomfortable with,then either stand and fight(not literally)for your point of view in a polite manner,or do not visit that particular BB.It's that simple.
Lastly,I did not vote for GW.My man was John McCain.And,I might add,am proud of it.

[Stephanie]

HD - what 's the name of that board?

Look, I feel like a lost soul here myself because I'm fairly outnumbered here with respect to my opinion. As DJ said, if I did not feel comfortable posting here, then I wouldn't and I'm learning lot from everyone.

If we win this war (we should and better for all of our sakes), and the economy goes back up, life is good once again, Bush will be a hero, plainly put. I don't think it will be that cut and dry and I don't think that there's enough time left in his term for all of that to occur. If the trend is there and people feel comfortable with what is happening, then he will have no problem being re-elected. Hell, I might even do so if that came to pass - are you okay Marshall????

Needless to say, I have my doubts, but time will tell.

[Arizwx]

HD - what 's the name of that board?

Look, I feel like a lost soul here myself because I'm fairly outnumbered here with respect to my opinion. As DJ said, if I did not feel comfortable posting here, then I wouldn't and I'm learning lot from everyone.

If we win this war (we should and better for all of our sakes), and the economy goes back up, life is good once again, Bush will be a hero, plainly put. I don't think it will be that cut and dry and I don't think that there's enough time left in his term for all of that to occur. If the trend is there and people feel comfortable with what is happening, then he will have no problem being re-elected. Hell, I might even do so if that came to pass - are you okay Marshall????

Needless to say, I have my doubts, but time will tell.

Well Said Stephanie,
I did not intend to come across as abrasive in any way,if I did,I do apologise.However,my remarks stand.
Stephanie,you should feel quite comfortable.Afterall,you are one of my favourite people here,and with friends like me,you are well insulated!Take care my friend..and Marshall,have a good day. 8)

[mf_dolphin]

As long as we have conservatives and liberals there will always be political sniping. The trick is always to cut through the BS on both sides and see how the candidates stand on the issues that are important to you. IMO, individuals on either extreme of the political spectrum are equally as dangerous.

As far as your questions HD, the died in the wool liberals will always complain when a conservative President performs well. The reverse is equally true. The US winning the war is a foregone conclusion. There is absolutely no way Saddam will stand against the forces arrayed against him. The political trick will be in the aftermath of the war. You hit a lot of the key issues. Does the economy turn around, oil go back down...ect. The biggest thing that hurt his father's re-election was the economy. We'll have to see how President Bush handles the post war situations.

I voted for him and will probably vote for him again. I think his Presidency has been faced with challenges unlike those we've seen in our lifetime and I think he has done very well so far. He has a full plate from now until the election though that can make or break him politically. I have to agree with Stephanie, (God this is getting scary Stephanie :o People are going to start to talk ) as long as things are on the way up consistently, he should have no problems with getting re-elected. If they aren't, then he couldhave a fight on his hand. The Democrats still have to find a competitive candidate to run...

The real difference with STORM2K once again shows. Here people can disagree and still have fun with each other!

[Stephanie]

DJ - you weren't abrasive at all! Thanks for your support their buddy!!!

quote: "As far as your questions HD, the died in the wool liberals will always complain when a conservative President performs well. The reverse is equally true".

- You're absolutely right Marshall and I especially agree about the extremists on both sides! GEEZ - I better knock this off!!! :o

The Democrats really do not have someone that I am truly impressed with at this time and there are so many in the field.

[JQ Public]

I kno what you mean stephanie...but we are here if ya look around hehe.

[Stephanie]

I see ya JQ! Gotcha covered!

[mf_dolphin]

That's like 5 times in 48 hours Stephanie! People are going to start rumours!

[Stephanie]

Aw Marshall...you're counting!!!! LOL!!

[JQ Public]

hahah y'all are a definite hoot!!

[mf_dolphin]

Just in a state of shock

It's a lot more fun when we disagree Want to talk about North Korea again?????

[southerngale]

OMG...Stephanie and Marshall agreed on something! And hey, it gets better. I agree with Stephanie on a few things too. :o ("If the trend is there and people feel comfortable with what is happening, then he will have no problem being re-elected.") and that we should (will) win this war.
However, I don't think he'll be seen as a hero by everyone. Unfortunately, I do think that some, maybe a lot of liberals (notice I didn't say all Stephanie) will spin things to try and make him look bad. I don't think it'll work, but they'll try.

I voted for Bush and I plan on voting for him again. I agree with Marshall about his presidency being faced with challenges unlike those we've seen in our lifetime. I also think he has done great so far.

Stephanie said, "Hell, I might even do so if that came to pass - are you okay Marshall???? "
That's my goal here at storm2k Stephanie...to convert you back in the right direction. And with a little help from Bush, I think it's possible.

[southerngale]

OtherHD wrote:

There is another message board that I hang around at occasionally, but it is predominantly anti-war/anti-Bush...you know...extremely liberal. They like to blame Bush for literally EVERY ill this world has faced. And when someone tries to object to that, that person is ignored or vehemently insulted.

What board is it? Sounds like they need a visit from a few of us here.

[mf_dolphin]

Good idea southerngale.... how about a conservative counterattack! We don't have to go to the UN either !!!!!

[JQ Public]

Personally i think this long drawn out process has brought the "liberals' and "conservatives" closer together. B/c we have enough time to talk about these issue we are starting to see eye to eye on some things.

[wx247]

I would have voted for GW in 2000. Can you believe that? Actually, I am very moderate. I just seem liberal on this board.

The president has done some very positive things for this country, while at the same time I have some obvious differences in opinion on how he has handled some things.

Bush was a rock after 9-11. Simple as that. The compassion he showed to the victims and their families while leading the country into this war on terror was tremendous.

I am one who believes that Iraq has been on Bush's agenda since pre-November 2000. Is there anything wrong with that? I say no. BUT... he has tried to pass it off as strictly being based on this war on terror. Saddam needs to dealt with, but Bush needed to be forthright from the beginning that this goes beyond weapons of mass destruction and is ultimately about regime change. At first it was about noncompliance only... now he raises the bar and says only regime change will suffice. And what about the NO nation building promise Bush pledged in 2000, even criticizing Clinton about nation building saying it was too costly.

If everything comes out A-Ok from this war, I don't think it damages the far liberals because they aren't saying Saddam isn'y a bad guy, but that taking innocent lives is wrong.

I think Bush has done a lot of good things while President, but I think Mara Liasson said it best the other night on Special Report w/ Brit Hume when they were discussing the same topic. She said that "the presidency is now Bush's to lose". Dems would not see it a big loss to not get the White House, but the Reps would be devestated to see the White House gone.

[coriolis]

wow, an attack on another board! We could all register there and secretly schedule a time on this board and then all go there and create a rukus.
That would be fun!

[Stephanie]

OMG...Stephanie and Marshall agreed on something! And hey, it gets better. I agree with Stephanie on a few things too. :o ("If the trend is there and people feel comfortable with what is happening, then he will have no problem being re-elected.") and that we should (will) win this war.
However, I don't think he'll be seen as a hero by everyone. Unfortunately, I do think that some, maybe a lot of liberals (notice I didn't say all Stephanie) will spin things to try and make him look bad. I don't think it'll work, but they'll try.

I voted for Bush and I plan on voting for him again. I agree with Marshall about his presidency being faced with challenges unlike those we've seen in our lifetime. I also think he has done great so far.

Stephanie said, "Hell, I might even do so if that came to pass - are you okay Marshall???? "
That's my goal here at storm2k Stephanie...to convert you back in the right direction. And with a little help from Bush, I think it's possible.

No, he won't be seen as a hero by everyone, especially the extremists. I'm not too keen on extremists on either side of the political spectrum. They cause more problems by forcing their opinions and beliefs on people than solving them. They also make you feel like dirt if you don't agree with what they say, never mind the fact that they do some crazy and dangerous things to get their points across.

I do believe that President Bush has had to face an awful lot in his young presidency. If the September 11th tragedy never happened, we probably wouldn't even be having these discussions about Iraq and possibly NK (don't go there Marshall!! - j/k!). It has made him very determined to protect our interests at any cost...and that is what has me worried.