Rampant Lesbianism in our schools, or bisexuality?

[j]

This was one of the topics for last nights Factor (this text off the website):

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Finally, is "everybody" getting in on the lesbian act? Last year, Britney Spears and Madonna kissed on television during an awards show... The music group tATu plays on lesbian eroticism... Are all these lesbian sex capades promoting a new trend that's filtering down to our schools and our kids? You won't believe our shocking expose!

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Let me start by saying I'm not attacking any homosexuals or Lesbian members of our board. I'm just opening a discussion about what's really going on in the schools these days.

My own personal experience, or should I say knowledge that I've acquired, points directly to female bi-sexuality running rampant, not Lesbiansm, or homosexuality if you will. I have had 2 teenage daughters go through high school, and what they have told me is there are countless girls at school who have absolutely no problem experimenting with bi-sexuality. This seems to be a phenom reserved for the girls.

You have to ask yourself why is this? Well.....when is the last time you saw any hollywood type, music personality male, lock lips with the nearest male for all the public to see? It just doesn't happen in that world, and not suprisingly, it doesn't happen in our schools. But females playing the game...that's a different story.

I think the explanantion is rather simple. Woman are doing it because they know the men like it. Well..maybe not all men but a good number. The guy still gets his woman, and a bonus on top of it! Doesn't seem to work in reverse though. Are the women/young girls, really into this?..or are they just sucking it up because they are caught smack in the middle of this bi-sexual revolution, being fueled by Hollywood and the Music Industry?

I don't know if the likes of Britney and Madonna are to blame, but I don't see how any reasonable person can argue that they don't encourage this kind of activity by their very actions. I don't see them promoting Lesbiansm as "O" suggests. I do see them promoting bi-sexuality, as both of these pop stars are, or have portrayed themselves as the typical sex goddess, and both of them have a well documented love for sex, and men, and now are letting all the young influentials that look up to them know that its cool to go the other way too.

[GalvestonDuck]

So true (what, we agree on a gayish issue????)!

Gotta admit, I get really tired of whole "bi-curious" charade, especially when I get dragged into it. I'm not here to satisfy anyone's curiosity. Casual flings aren't my thing. And I don't even want to get started on the married chicks who "want to do it for their husbands." Go away! As Shania would say, "If you're not in it for love, I'm outta here."

As for guys not being public about it, I think that's a given. In general, male homosexuality or bisexuality is a bit more taboo. I mean, jeez...just look at what the pornographic media offers -- a scene with two women together in mainstream videos and magazines. It's almost like it's obligatory or something. But two guys together? You can only find that in "blue" movies or magazines.

Seeing two men kissing on TV is usually in a comical context, like when Brad Garrett kissed Gary Shandling.

The biggest problem I had with it all was when "Once & Again" teen stars Evan Rachel Wood and Mischa Barton kissed in an episode. Both characters as well as the actresses were underage (13, at the time). It was a sweet, simple kiss. But, it crossed a line, IMHO. I'm just afraid one day, underage actors are going to be seen in bedroom scenes and producers are going to push the envelope and stretch for more and more risque scenes, eventually even showing brief nudity.

It has to stop somewhere.

Now, just to touch on one point you made, J. "The guy still gets his woman, and a bonus on top of it!" Well, maybe his woman is bi, but that doesn't mean the other one is. Sometimes, only the wife gets the "bonus" if you want to call it that. I just don't get it myself. If it's not natural to you, don't do it.

[j]

The biggest problem I had with it all was when "Once & Again" teen stars Evan Rachel Wood and Mischa Barton kissed in an episode. Both characters as well as the actresses were underage (13, at the time). It was a sweet, simple kiss. But, it crossed a line, IMHO.

Pure and simple....exploitation!

[rainstorm]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

[furluvcats]

Rainstorm, I don't hand my children over .

[j]

Helen.....what in the world are you talking about?

I personally could never have afforded to send my children to private schools. Are you sugesting that a parent that sends their kids to public schools is being irresponsible?

How 'bout going back on topic?

[Guest]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

Cause some of us have to work and don't live off the government !!!! The kids only learn it when the parents don't have any involvement in their lives. My 8 year old saw the kiss of Britany and Madonna - told her that was not normal and it was all fake and just for television. After this last Britany eposide of her getting married and getting annulled my daughter isn't worshiping her like she did...now its Martina McBride - now there is someone who is a good rolemodel.

patricia

[Lindaloo]

rainstorm... do you think that private schools are safe from this? Heck no, not while there are the Britney's and Madonna's in this world. My daughter no longer likes her either ticka.

[furluvcats]

My daughter doesn't like her either...we DO have alot of control over what our childrens intrests are....My daughter likes Hillary Duff right now...let hope this one stays sweet and innocent and remains a decent role model.

[furluvcats]

I wanted to add something here. I homeschool my kids. I love it and its been very good for my children, not to say it'd be good for all children. The downside is that they don't have kids to interact with, and they miss that. But lemme tel ya, my son has one friend in our neighborhood, the only other child in our area...and he hangs with him, and he learns from him, and even though he isn't under the influence of peer pressure at school, he has done some really stupid things with this kid. There is no way to protect our kids totally from whats going on the world...but we CAN set a very moral foundation for our kids, lead them and direct them towards where we want them to be. It all starts at home and its our jobs as parents to be involved in our kids lives, and know whats going on, and direct them towards a more moral being, if they are straying. So, I don't downfall public schools, or think that kids are more protected in a private school envirement...they're gonna see things no matter where they are...just love your kids, and guide the to where you think they should be.

[GalvestonDuck]

I saw Lisa Whelchel (Blair "Facts of Life") on the Wayne Brady show the other day and she was talking about homeschooling her kids. She said that many (not all) kids who get homeschooled have better social exposure than kids who go to the same classes and see the same classmates over and over, day in and day out.

I'm sure there are certain advantages and disadvantages to private schooling, homeschooling, or public schooling.

But yeah, let's stay on topic.

[furluvcats]

But Ducky...we're having so much fun on THIS topic...lol

[OtherHD]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

Did you go to public school?

[Guest]

LOL OtherHD - good question. I did.

[rainstorm]

Helen.....what in the world are you talking about?

I personally could never have afforded to send my children to private schools. Are you sugesting that a parent that sends their kids to public schools is being irresponsible?

How 'bout going back on topic?

i want people to have choice, i realize they dont now. back on topic, this is a trend that will run its course eventually

[rainstorm]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

Did you go to public school?

yea i did, and see what happened?? lol!!

[Rainband]

I have a good question. PLEASE NOTE!! I am not directing this towards anyone in particular..Hypothectically speaking.. What if those of you with children and against the Homosexual "lifestyle"(as I know some people think it's a choice) found out one day ..One of your children was Gay??? What would you do??

[JCT777]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

Did you go to public school?

yea i did, and see what happened?? lol!!

LOL!!! That explains everything.

[southerngale]

here is a bigger question, why would anyone hand their kids over to a govt school everyday to be indoctrinated?

Did you go to public school?

yea i did, and see what happened?? lol!!

LOL!! See what public school will do to your children!!!

j/k - I went to public school too. Back on topic...they do it on tv for ratings...to push the envelope, and don't be mistaken...they'll keep pushing and pushing and pushing. There's already plenty of shows that I feel like I'M too young to watch!!

As far as the bi-trend, it's just ridiculous. They're just trying to be "cool" - I guess they're desperate for attention.

[GalvestonDuck]

I have a good question. PLEASE NOTE!! I am not directing this towards anyone in particular..Hypothectically speaking.. What if those of you with children and against the Homosexual "lifestyle"(as I know some people think it's a choice) found out one day ..One of your children was Gay??? What would you do??

Hopefully, they would talk about it and eventually cope with it and love their child regardless of how and who they love.

It would help if the media would portray it in a kinder, gentler light, instead of comical or in-your-face. Example -- ER. In the first kiss between Dr. Weaver and her firefighter girlfriend Sandy, it was a confrontational kiss where the writers seemed to think Sandy had to "force" Kerry to kiss her by having Sandy pin her against the wall and do it (in front of the ER). Come to think of it, Kim was the same way. Why can't there be a simple, quiet, romantic, consensual kiss like the ones they showed in later episodes? Carter didn't have to force Abby. Mark didn't have to force Elizabeth. Heck, the first ever kiss between two women on a TV show (Abby and CJ on "L.A. Law") wasn't confrontational like that. Portraying us as loving, quiet couples instead of having to be so darned in-their-faces would help alot.

I don't know what to call what Britney and Madonna did. If they were acting in a movie and the characters did that, it would be one thing. But they weren't acting and it did absolutely nothing for whatever the heck they were doing anyway. What song was it again?? Was there a point? Did it add something to the show? No, not IMO. It was simply for shock value and gratuitous in-your-face sexuality. Never will make sense to me.