9/11 Families Coached - How Low Will They Go?
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9/11 Families Coached - How Low Will They Go?
Yes I know, this is kinda long, but worth reading IMO.
Unbelievable!!
RUSH: You know, this ad ran yesterday. The Bush ad started running this week about 9/11, one that has the pictures of Ground Zero. And the Democrats just raised holy hell! The Democrats, they just went nuts. They thought this was horrible. "It's politicizing this issue and this event is just horrible. It's trashy. It's a Bush attack ad," and it's not! It's uplifting. It's anything but an attack ad. So last night I'm scanning around Hardball, and Deborah Norville -- and all the channels: CNBC, MSNBC, I mean you name it. All these different shows, and there are different women, different family members, and I'm sitting there listen to them, and they're all saying the same thing.
And I'm saying to myself, "This can't be. The Democrats have not given these poor widows talking points. This just can't be." I said, "They're going to make me level this accusation? They're going to?" I mean, I'm an observer of life. I watch the news; I see this. If you saw it, too, I'm sure you had to come to the same conclusion. And I'm sitting, saying to myself, "Can it possibly be that the Democrats are out there accusing George Bush of running an attack ad and capitalizing politically on the attack of 9/11, have actually gotten hold of some widows, some family members, and gave them talking points?"
Because when you listen to what they say, they're all saying the same thing about where Bush was when this happened, and I keep saying, "There's nothing these people do that will surprise me anymore, nothing the Democrats, nothing the liberals will do. They can't go any lower than they are. They can't have any more hatred than they have. They can't be more bitter than they are," and they continue to surprise me. They can become angrier. They do become more embittered. They do get slimier! I just want you to listen here. This is 9/11 family members on all these shows talking about the Bush ad, and they're using the exact same language. NBC, CNBC, CNN and MSNBC. Listen.
VOICE ONE: I think for someone like President Bush who has not cooperated with this commission, who has stonewalled this commission.
VOICE TWO: This president and his administration blocked the creation of the commission, have stonewalled the commission.
VOICE ONE: If this was realistic from the morning of September 11th, it would show President Bush before a group of children listening to them read while, uh, the Twin Towers were burning.
VOICE TWO: If he wants to show a picture of 9/11 depicting what he was doing, it should be a picture of him sitting and reading in a classroom to school children. That's where he was on 9/11.
VOICE ONE: And we need to find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch.
VOICE TWO: You know, this happened on his watch.
RUSH: Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is unbelievable. No, it's not. It's believable. I just those people do not sound like victims; they sound like they've been coached. They sound like they have been faxed talking points, do they not? In fact, these people sound like journalists. These people sound like reporters who would be offering their opinions of what Bush did -- and they're not. These are 9/11 family members, and as I say, they sound like political operatives. They really do. And, you know, we know in the past that the Democrats during periods of legislation have dragged in people off the street, supposedly going to be victimized by new Social Security cuts or what have you, and I'm just...
In the midst of all of these accusations of how low Bush can go, and how dirty Bush is and what an attack ad this was, to go get these family members and coach them -- and it's obvious. It's obvious they have been faxed something, or given something. Listen to this again. Now, the names are not relevant, but they're... Let me count the number of people here. One, two, three. There are two members here. There are two women here both saying the same things, but again, this is taken from three different -- well, four different networks -- CNN, NBC, CNBC, and MSNBC. Here it is one more time:
(Replaying of montage)
Where did we hear that? We've heard that one this week. The school children, too, last night, but "murdered on his watch." I had an audio of that yesterday or said something. Somebody said this yesterday. It wasn't one of these family members. They were not out there. It was a Democrat. I'm going to have to search. I could go to the website and look for it. Somebody do that, because I know it was there. The transcript of the program from yesterday because this was said, "murdered on his watch." Remember yesterday we reacted to that. It was some Democrat that said this. Somebody said "murdered on his watch." Do you not remember?
It was one of the family? Oh, I might have been quoting one of the family members? Yeah, we didn't have any tape yesterday. All right. Look, folks, I don't deny that there are family members that are Democrats and I don't deny that there are family members that might not like Bush. That's not what I'm saying. I don't think all 9/11 family members would be on the same page of anything -- 3,000 families. But I know these people like every inch of my naked body, folks. I know them, and I just can smell it. These people go into action and get into gear. I was watching this last night saying, "This can't be happening. No, not on this. Not the same guys that are out there accusing Bush of dirty politics."
RESUME TRANSCRIPT 12:33 PM EST
All right, we've isolated this "3,000 people were murdered on his watch" comment that I remembered from yesterday. But before we get to that, again, here is the sound bite, montage, of two different women appearing on four networks last night. It's amazing that the networks found these two women. Stop and think of this: you had 3,000 families affected by what happened in 9/11. The New York Daily News yesterday runs this biiig story that one widow is you all upset that Bush is running this ad that shows 9/11, shows the Ground Zero, makes a big whoop-dee-do. The press is somehow -- CNN, MSNBC, NBC and CNBC -- are somehow able to find two women who said this on four different networks last night.
(Replaying of montage)
RUSH: Yeah, I'm going to tell you. It sounds to me like not only were these women coached, but it sounds to me like somebody fed them to the networks. This just doesn't happen. This is too random. Here's Katie Couric from the Today Show yesterday morning interviewing Karen Hughes.
COURIC: "Two of them referred to the September 11th attacks, and one September 11th widow told the Daily News this morning she was offended by the use of 9/11 images in these ads saying, quote, 'after 3,000 people were murdered on his watch, it seems to me that takes an awful lot of audacity. Honestly, it's in poor taste.' What's your response to that?"
RUSH: So, not going to mess with Karen's response, because that's not the point; it was a good one. So this was out there yesterday. It was out there yesterday. These people are found... You know, it sounds to me like that the Democrats have rolled the dice and came up roses that Bush was going to do an ad like this and that they'd been planning this and the response for a long time. Here are the common phrases spoken by these two women:
"Stonewalled this commission," "show President Bush before a group of school children listening to them read while the Twin Towers are burning," and "find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch." Those are the three common phrases used by these two women on four networks last night. Now, since we are a network that does balance (cough), ladies and gentlemen, we have a member of a 9/11 family who found the ads inspiring, and this is also on CNBC. Deborah Burlingame, lost her brother in the 9-11 attacks, and Matthews says, "Your view when you watch these commercials or even snatches of them, what was your feeling?"
BURLINGAME: "Well, of course both images brought me back to that day, and that darkest hour for our country. And I found the images inspiring, to be reminded once again that, although it was our darkest day it was also our finest hour. That was a terrible shock for everyone in this country, and those images reverberate for the families still today. One of the reasons I was able to get through that day and my family was the other images we associate with the towers falling and the flames hitting the building, and that is the images of the resiliency and the strength and courage that was exhibited that day in the number of 343 firefighters running into the building to save lives. Americans lined up around the block to give blood. The outpouring of love and support that my family and 3,000 other families received. Tthose images represent that: the strength and courage of this country, and I like being reminded about that."
RUSH: All right, now, is this not obvious? I mean, what are you feeling now having heard both takes? You heard the two widows that sound coached by the Democrats, prepared to the Democrats, and then this widow -- and what do these women see? The Democrats that appear to be the women, appear to be coached by the Democrats only see Bush. They only see Bush; they only talk about Bush.
This woman talks about the firefighters and the American people coming together and donating blood. She sees the country for what it is. Is there no greater contrast? Even if these two women were not coached by the Democrats, is there no greater contrast here? I mean, this is mind-boggling, ladies and gentlemen. It is so obvious. It's out there. You don't even need me to interpret this. These things speaks for themselves. [Reading from Daily News story:] "The Bush campaign, stung by the uproar over its ads featuring 9/11, vigorously defended the commercials yesterday and vowed to keep them on the air, amid a furious counterattack spearheaded by former mayor Rudolph 'Rudy' Giuliani, the former police commissioner Bernard Kerrick and presidential confidante Karen Hughes. One top Bush political strategist said the spots might now be shown in even more media markets than the original buy."
They're going to say, "Okay..." and what's great about this is that the media gave these things a whole lot more exposure than they would have otherwise had just with the buy. Giuliani issued a statement. He said, "September 11th is the defining event of our times. This was a shared experience that the American people have all been through together. The war that the terrorists began on September 11th continues today. President Bush has provided the steady, consistent and principled leadership to bring our country through the worst attack in our history. His leadership on that day is central to his record and his continued leadership is critical to our ultimate success against world terrorism."
So they trotted Giuliani out yesterday. Note when Giuliani came out. Giuliani didn't come out with the ads. Giuliani didn't precede the ads. Giuliani didn't accompany the ads anywhere. They bring Giuliani out after the Democrats attempt to make politics out of these ads and try to make dirty politics out of it, so the Republicans say, "Okay, we have to respond." So they get Rudy and Bernard Kerrick and everybody goes into gear over what the Democrats are doing. Folks, this is just too juicy. Now, we have that call.
I don't have enough time to run it now, but this call that came in in the first half hour of this program from Nancy in Washington, D.C., a professed Republican (laughing) busted on this program. It's the kind of call we hosts dream of. "For a second day today, the Today Show continued its assault on the Bush campaign for its use of fleeting images of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Katie Couric's (comments) were not nearly as provocative or accusatory as those of the guests that they chose to bring in, these three guests, three women were relatives of the people who died in 9/11."
I'm not sure where this story is from. But, again, the guests today used the phrase "on September 11th he was in a classroom listening to children reading to him," and all these phrases that were popularized yesterday and last night show up again today on the Today Show with another Katie Couric interview. So, remember how I started this. This is tough to think, tough to say. When I saw this last night, I said, "Ah, this can't be. They wouldn't do this. They wouldn't go find these widows and, you know, fuel them with the right thing to say." But how can you conclude otherwise? How could you think otherwise?
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Unbelievable!!
RUSH: You know, this ad ran yesterday. The Bush ad started running this week about 9/11, one that has the pictures of Ground Zero. And the Democrats just raised holy hell! The Democrats, they just went nuts. They thought this was horrible. "It's politicizing this issue and this event is just horrible. It's trashy. It's a Bush attack ad," and it's not! It's uplifting. It's anything but an attack ad. So last night I'm scanning around Hardball, and Deborah Norville -- and all the channels: CNBC, MSNBC, I mean you name it. All these different shows, and there are different women, different family members, and I'm sitting there listen to them, and they're all saying the same thing.
And I'm saying to myself, "This can't be. The Democrats have not given these poor widows talking points. This just can't be." I said, "They're going to make me level this accusation? They're going to?" I mean, I'm an observer of life. I watch the news; I see this. If you saw it, too, I'm sure you had to come to the same conclusion. And I'm sitting, saying to myself, "Can it possibly be that the Democrats are out there accusing George Bush of running an attack ad and capitalizing politically on the attack of 9/11, have actually gotten hold of some widows, some family members, and gave them talking points?"
Because when you listen to what they say, they're all saying the same thing about where Bush was when this happened, and I keep saying, "There's nothing these people do that will surprise me anymore, nothing the Democrats, nothing the liberals will do. They can't go any lower than they are. They can't have any more hatred than they have. They can't be more bitter than they are," and they continue to surprise me. They can become angrier. They do become more embittered. They do get slimier! I just want you to listen here. This is 9/11 family members on all these shows talking about the Bush ad, and they're using the exact same language. NBC, CNBC, CNN and MSNBC. Listen.
VOICE ONE: I think for someone like President Bush who has not cooperated with this commission, who has stonewalled this commission.
VOICE TWO: This president and his administration blocked the creation of the commission, have stonewalled the commission.
VOICE ONE: If this was realistic from the morning of September 11th, it would show President Bush before a group of children listening to them read while, uh, the Twin Towers were burning.
VOICE TWO: If he wants to show a picture of 9/11 depicting what he was doing, it should be a picture of him sitting and reading in a classroom to school children. That's where he was on 9/11.
VOICE ONE: And we need to find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch.
VOICE TWO: You know, this happened on his watch.
RUSH: Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is unbelievable. No, it's not. It's believable. I just those people do not sound like victims; they sound like they've been coached. They sound like they have been faxed talking points, do they not? In fact, these people sound like journalists. These people sound like reporters who would be offering their opinions of what Bush did -- and they're not. These are 9/11 family members, and as I say, they sound like political operatives. They really do. And, you know, we know in the past that the Democrats during periods of legislation have dragged in people off the street, supposedly going to be victimized by new Social Security cuts or what have you, and I'm just...
In the midst of all of these accusations of how low Bush can go, and how dirty Bush is and what an attack ad this was, to go get these family members and coach them -- and it's obvious. It's obvious they have been faxed something, or given something. Listen to this again. Now, the names are not relevant, but they're... Let me count the number of people here. One, two, three. There are two members here. There are two women here both saying the same things, but again, this is taken from three different -- well, four different networks -- CNN, NBC, CNBC, and MSNBC. Here it is one more time:
(Replaying of montage)
Where did we hear that? We've heard that one this week. The school children, too, last night, but "murdered on his watch." I had an audio of that yesterday or said something. Somebody said this yesterday. It wasn't one of these family members. They were not out there. It was a Democrat. I'm going to have to search. I could go to the website and look for it. Somebody do that, because I know it was there. The transcript of the program from yesterday because this was said, "murdered on his watch." Remember yesterday we reacted to that. It was some Democrat that said this. Somebody said "murdered on his watch." Do you not remember?
It was one of the family? Oh, I might have been quoting one of the family members? Yeah, we didn't have any tape yesterday. All right. Look, folks, I don't deny that there are family members that are Democrats and I don't deny that there are family members that might not like Bush. That's not what I'm saying. I don't think all 9/11 family members would be on the same page of anything -- 3,000 families. But I know these people like every inch of my naked body, folks. I know them, and I just can smell it. These people go into action and get into gear. I was watching this last night saying, "This can't be happening. No, not on this. Not the same guys that are out there accusing Bush of dirty politics."
RESUME TRANSCRIPT 12:33 PM EST
All right, we've isolated this "3,000 people were murdered on his watch" comment that I remembered from yesterday. But before we get to that, again, here is the sound bite, montage, of two different women appearing on four networks last night. It's amazing that the networks found these two women. Stop and think of this: you had 3,000 families affected by what happened in 9/11. The New York Daily News yesterday runs this biiig story that one widow is you all upset that Bush is running this ad that shows 9/11, shows the Ground Zero, makes a big whoop-dee-do. The press is somehow -- CNN, MSNBC, NBC and CNBC -- are somehow able to find two women who said this on four different networks last night.
(Replaying of montage)
RUSH: Yeah, I'm going to tell you. It sounds to me like not only were these women coached, but it sounds to me like somebody fed them to the networks. This just doesn't happen. This is too random. Here's Katie Couric from the Today Show yesterday morning interviewing Karen Hughes.
COURIC: "Two of them referred to the September 11th attacks, and one September 11th widow told the Daily News this morning she was offended by the use of 9/11 images in these ads saying, quote, 'after 3,000 people were murdered on his watch, it seems to me that takes an awful lot of audacity. Honestly, it's in poor taste.' What's your response to that?"
RUSH: So, not going to mess with Karen's response, because that's not the point; it was a good one. So this was out there yesterday. It was out there yesterday. These people are found... You know, it sounds to me like that the Democrats have rolled the dice and came up roses that Bush was going to do an ad like this and that they'd been planning this and the response for a long time. Here are the common phrases spoken by these two women:
"Stonewalled this commission," "show President Bush before a group of school children listening to them read while the Twin Towers are burning," and "find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch." Those are the three common phrases used by these two women on four networks last night. Now, since we are a network that does balance (cough), ladies and gentlemen, we have a member of a 9/11 family who found the ads inspiring, and this is also on CNBC. Deborah Burlingame, lost her brother in the 9-11 attacks, and Matthews says, "Your view when you watch these commercials or even snatches of them, what was your feeling?"
BURLINGAME: "Well, of course both images brought me back to that day, and that darkest hour for our country. And I found the images inspiring, to be reminded once again that, although it was our darkest day it was also our finest hour. That was a terrible shock for everyone in this country, and those images reverberate for the families still today. One of the reasons I was able to get through that day and my family was the other images we associate with the towers falling and the flames hitting the building, and that is the images of the resiliency and the strength and courage that was exhibited that day in the number of 343 firefighters running into the building to save lives. Americans lined up around the block to give blood. The outpouring of love and support that my family and 3,000 other families received. Tthose images represent that: the strength and courage of this country, and I like being reminded about that."
RUSH: All right, now, is this not obvious? I mean, what are you feeling now having heard both takes? You heard the two widows that sound coached by the Democrats, prepared to the Democrats, and then this widow -- and what do these women see? The Democrats that appear to be the women, appear to be coached by the Democrats only see Bush. They only see Bush; they only talk about Bush.
This woman talks about the firefighters and the American people coming together and donating blood. She sees the country for what it is. Is there no greater contrast? Even if these two women were not coached by the Democrats, is there no greater contrast here? I mean, this is mind-boggling, ladies and gentlemen. It is so obvious. It's out there. You don't even need me to interpret this. These things speaks for themselves. [Reading from Daily News story:] "The Bush campaign, stung by the uproar over its ads featuring 9/11, vigorously defended the commercials yesterday and vowed to keep them on the air, amid a furious counterattack spearheaded by former mayor Rudolph 'Rudy' Giuliani, the former police commissioner Bernard Kerrick and presidential confidante Karen Hughes. One top Bush political strategist said the spots might now be shown in even more media markets than the original buy."
They're going to say, "Okay..." and what's great about this is that the media gave these things a whole lot more exposure than they would have otherwise had just with the buy. Giuliani issued a statement. He said, "September 11th is the defining event of our times. This was a shared experience that the American people have all been through together. The war that the terrorists began on September 11th continues today. President Bush has provided the steady, consistent and principled leadership to bring our country through the worst attack in our history. His leadership on that day is central to his record and his continued leadership is critical to our ultimate success against world terrorism."
So they trotted Giuliani out yesterday. Note when Giuliani came out. Giuliani didn't come out with the ads. Giuliani didn't precede the ads. Giuliani didn't accompany the ads anywhere. They bring Giuliani out after the Democrats attempt to make politics out of these ads and try to make dirty politics out of it, so the Republicans say, "Okay, we have to respond." So they get Rudy and Bernard Kerrick and everybody goes into gear over what the Democrats are doing. Folks, this is just too juicy. Now, we have that call.
I don't have enough time to run it now, but this call that came in in the first half hour of this program from Nancy in Washington, D.C., a professed Republican (laughing) busted on this program. It's the kind of call we hosts dream of. "For a second day today, the Today Show continued its assault on the Bush campaign for its use of fleeting images of the World Trade Center on 9/11. Katie Couric's (comments) were not nearly as provocative or accusatory as those of the guests that they chose to bring in, these three guests, three women were relatives of the people who died in 9/11."
I'm not sure where this story is from. But, again, the guests today used the phrase "on September 11th he was in a classroom listening to children reading to him," and all these phrases that were popularized yesterday and last night show up again today on the Today Show with another Katie Couric interview. So, remember how I started this. This is tough to think, tough to say. When I saw this last night, I said, "Ah, this can't be. They wouldn't do this. They wouldn't go find these widows and, you know, fuel them with the right thing to say." But how can you conclude otherwise? How could you think otherwise?
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Rush is PRESUMING that they were coached. Perhaps they were which isn't right, but I know in Rush's mind, what he says is always right.
The one thing about the ad that bothered me was that it suggested that the American people came together to help the victims of 9/11 BECAUSE of Bush. I beg to differ - the rallys, the charity concerts, the donations, the rush of EMT's, firefighters, police officers and other volunteers to the site were because the American people ALWAYS come together in a time of crisis. It wasn't done because of a rally cry from the government. Bush's visit to NYC and subsequent interviews helped to soothe the American people - no question, but the American people would've come together no matter who was in charge.
The one thing about the ad that bothered me was that it suggested that the American people came together to help the victims of 9/11 BECAUSE of Bush. I beg to differ - the rallys, the charity concerts, the donations, the rush of EMT's, firefighters, police officers and other volunteers to the site were because the American people ALWAYS come together in a time of crisis. It wasn't done because of a rally cry from the government. Bush's visit to NYC and subsequent interviews helped to soothe the American people - no question, but the American people would've come together no matter who was in charge.
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Stephanie, I agree with you. May I humbly suggest that Rush and others should give the survivors of the 9/11 victims some credit for being able to express their thoughts with whatever vocabularly they choose? I hear that term, 'on his watch,' repeatedly on talk shows and among people in our area. Why would someone accuse those poor people of allowing themselves to be used in such a way?
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sunnyday wrote:Stephanie, I agree with you. May I humbly suggest that Rush and others should give the survivors of the 9/11 victims some credit for being able to express their thoughts with whatever vocabularly they choose? I hear that term, 'on his watch,' repeatedly on talk shows and among people in our area. Why would someone accuse those poor people of allowing themselves to be used in such a way?
Good suggestion. I certainly hope that they weren't coached, but these people can voice their opinions no matter what side of the fence they're on.
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You're right Steph, Bush is presuming, but let's be realistic, it is very obvious. I mean, what are the chances of them saying practically the exact same thing on 4 different network night before last and then a similar repeat yesterday morning on the Today Show? I would assume anyone who watched these interviews would draw the same conclusion. I missed them so I am going by others who saw it. I would imagine it was even weirder actually hearing the same phrases come from different families' mouths of the 9/11 victims.
So, assuming this is true, which seems obvious to me, why not let them speak for themselves? Why aren't they speaking from the heart like the other guy who found the ads inspiring? Does this sound scripted?
BURLINGAME: "Well, of course both images brought me back to that day, and that darkest hour for our country. And I found the images inspiring, to be reminded once again that, although it was our darkest day it was also our finest hour. That was a terrible shock for everyone in this country, and those images reverberate for the families still today. One of the reasons I was able to get through that day and my family was the other images we associate with the towers falling and the flames hitting the building, and that is the images of the resiliency and the strength and courage that was exhibited that day in the number of 343 firefighters running into the building to save lives. Americans lined up around the block to give blood. The outpouring of love and support that my family and 3,000 other families received. Tthose images represent that: the strength and courage of this country, and I like being reminded about that."
Now, what about this?
VOICE ONE: I think for someone like President Bush who has not cooperated with this commission, who has stonewalled this commission.
VOICE TWO: This president and his administration blocked the creation of the commission, have stonewalled the commission.
VOICE ONE: If this was realistic from the morning of September 11th, it would show President Bush before a group of children listening to them read while, uh, the Twin Towers were burning.
VOICE TWO: If he wants to show a picture of 9/11 depicting what he was doing, it should be a picture of him sitting and reading in a classroom to school children. That's where he was on 9/11.
VOICE ONE: And we need to find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch.
VOICE TWO: You know, this happened on his watch.
So, assuming this is true, which seems obvious to me, why not let them speak for themselves? Why aren't they speaking from the heart like the other guy who found the ads inspiring? Does this sound scripted?
BURLINGAME: "Well, of course both images brought me back to that day, and that darkest hour for our country. And I found the images inspiring, to be reminded once again that, although it was our darkest day it was also our finest hour. That was a terrible shock for everyone in this country, and those images reverberate for the families still today. One of the reasons I was able to get through that day and my family was the other images we associate with the towers falling and the flames hitting the building, and that is the images of the resiliency and the strength and courage that was exhibited that day in the number of 343 firefighters running into the building to save lives. Americans lined up around the block to give blood. The outpouring of love and support that my family and 3,000 other families received. Tthose images represent that: the strength and courage of this country, and I like being reminded about that."
Now, what about this?
VOICE ONE: I think for someone like President Bush who has not cooperated with this commission, who has stonewalled this commission.
VOICE TWO: This president and his administration blocked the creation of the commission, have stonewalled the commission.
VOICE ONE: If this was realistic from the morning of September 11th, it would show President Bush before a group of children listening to them read while, uh, the Twin Towers were burning.
VOICE TWO: If he wants to show a picture of 9/11 depicting what he was doing, it should be a picture of him sitting and reading in a classroom to school children. That's where he was on 9/11.
VOICE ONE: And we need to find out why 3,000 people were murdered on his watch.
VOICE TWO: You know, this happened on his watch.
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Either way Helen, one side's ads is always going to be attacked. In all honesty, I think that Bush should refer to 9/11 because that was the basis of our "War on Terrorism". My objection was more that it made it look like due to his leadership, the citizens of the US came together to help each other out when it would've happened regardless of who was in office. I felt that he was taking credit for that in that ad.
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rainstorm wrote:the problem is, without 9/11 bush has nothing to run on. bush is a decent man who has run into a liberal media buzz saw, and he is being chopped to pieces.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
I always thought that Bush was a decent person - I've been a heck of alot more skeptical of his advisors and of the Republican agenda itself. I was genuinely touched by his show of compassion after 9/11.
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Stephanie wrote:rainstorm wrote:the problem is, without 9/11 bush has nothing to run on. bush is a decent man who has run into a liberal media buzz saw, and he is being chopped to pieces.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
I always thought that Bush was a decent person - I've been a heck of alot more skeptical of his advisors and of the Republican agenda itself. I was genuinely touched by his show of compassion after 9/11.
i like george bush. i think he would be a much better president than john kerry. but i think the election has already been decided. i have never seen a president with so much good news to talk about be so unable to get his message out. as long as he remains defensive he will dig himself an ever deeper hole.
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Rainstorm, the election is 8 months away and no, it hasn't been decided. If I had to pick who I think will win, I would go with Bush. I think Kerry's voting record will get out to the general public and it's way too liberal for the average American. Most Americans aren't far right or far left and his record is definitely far left. Just watch...in the coming months, you will hear a lot more about that. Bush isn't going to cow down and let Kerry win this election. He is the better man for the job right now and he will get his message out.
As for the ads, I didn't see anything wrong with them at all. I saw all 3 released this past week and they were very inspiring. Isn't this the kind of ad the media says they want?? A positive message, not one tearing down the other candidate? An ad concentrating on the candidate's message and record? So he does just that and STILL gets attacked.....
That's the liberal media for ya.
You can view the ads from here. Tell me if you see anything wrong with them. Click on Watch the Campaigns First TV Ads Here!
http://www.georgewbush.com/
As for the ads, I didn't see anything wrong with them at all. I saw all 3 released this past week and they were very inspiring. Isn't this the kind of ad the media says they want?? A positive message, not one tearing down the other candidate? An ad concentrating on the candidate's message and record? So he does just that and STILL gets attacked.....

You can view the ads from here. Tell me if you see anything wrong with them. Click on Watch the Campaigns First TV Ads Here!
http://www.georgewbush.com/
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kelly, the ads were fine. but the liberal media got a few widows from the heinz corp and destroyed bush with them. remember what i said a few weeks ago. bush signed the mccain law saying only the media can criticise candidates less than 60 days before an election. see what the media is already doing? after labor day the media will savedgely rip into bush, like nothing you have ever seen.
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Regardless of the validity of his argument, Rush Limbaugh has no credibility with me and never will after his recent incedent. He is an extreme example of a right-wing hypocrite and I find it laughable that he is still being taken seriously.
Now as for the article, IF the quotes posted were accurate, it does sound like something was up with the victims using the same language. However, whether they were "coached" or not, I think the argument can be made that Bush is indeed capitalizing politically off the September 11 terrorist attacks, and he should be questioned on it. He may have demonstrated good leadership during the terrorist attacks, and has everyright to say that if he is asked about it at a debate, but to glorify footage of the twin towers getting toppled in a campaign commercial for the alleged purpose of showing his great leadership qualities is just over the top IMO. Of course some right-wingers will never see it that way because in the back of their heads just about anything is justified if it keeps the conservative Christian anti-abortion guy in office. Oh well.
Now all that said, I will be the first to admit that had a Democrat been in office during 9/11, they would likely be using the same dirty campaigning tricks, and I would have an issue with that as well. Still, there's just something about the fact that it's coming from this supposedly down-to-earth born-again Christian that makes it a little more nauseating.
Now as for the article, IF the quotes posted were accurate, it does sound like something was up with the victims using the same language. However, whether they were "coached" or not, I think the argument can be made that Bush is indeed capitalizing politically off the September 11 terrorist attacks, and he should be questioned on it. He may have demonstrated good leadership during the terrorist attacks, and has everyright to say that if he is asked about it at a debate, but to glorify footage of the twin towers getting toppled in a campaign commercial for the alleged purpose of showing his great leadership qualities is just over the top IMO. Of course some right-wingers will never see it that way because in the back of their heads just about anything is justified if it keeps the conservative Christian anti-abortion guy in office. Oh well.
Now all that said, I will be the first to admit that had a Democrat been in office during 9/11, they would likely be using the same dirty campaigning tricks, and I would have an issue with that as well. Still, there's just something about the fact that it's coming from this supposedly down-to-earth born-again Christian that makes it a little more nauseating.
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There was absolutely nothing wrong with the ads brettjrob. Most people don't want to forget that defining day in America and why shouldn't Bush show that he's a great leader? He wants to get re-elected. DUH!!
Oh and btw...conservative anti-abortion Christian is a compliment. I'll take that as a compliment towards me too.
Oh and btw...conservative anti-abortion Christian is a compliment. I'll take that as a compliment towards me too.

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Lindaloo wrote:The Dems could not use the same "dirty" campaign tricks because they would have allowed the terrorists to get away with it. NUFF SAID!!
Typical overblown conservative reaction IMO. That's a ridiculous accusation to make... I highly doubt a Democrat would have "let them get away with it" -- the attacks brough to light the fact that terrorism is a threat to our security, and any reasonable leader, Dem or Rep, would have acted. I find the statement you just made about as absurd and overblown as me saying "Bush is just as much of a delusional religious whacko as the Taliban" -- a quote that would likely get me flamed 10 times over here if I said it with serious intentions.
Have something against being a Christian brettjrob?
Nope... as long as there is no hypocrisy involved. In the case of both Limbaugh (see below) and Bush, I feel there is lots of it. Bush using these images in an attempt to stir people's emotions on this serious matter as a political tool seems unchristian to me, but hey, what do I know about Christianity. Like I said before, I feel that he has every right to say he was a good leader during troubling times, but the tragic images were unnecessary except to stir up emotions in his favor.
"Thou Shall not judge" as for your comments on Rush and his incident.
But that's exactly the problem... this is a man who has judged right and left, but all the while was engaging in criminal activity. He was illegally using painkillers, but at the same time supporting the "war on drugs" and wanting to see users and dealers of illegal drugs incarcerated. You just can't have it both ways, buddy... it's called hypocrisy. Here's a quote from the man himself from October 1995:
"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be."
Am I the ONLY one here who finds the fact that the same man who made that statement has been through rehab for addiction to painkillers reason enough to disregard his right-wing rambling?

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Truth hurt? I think so!! It was a Democratic President that allowed the terrorists to keep getting away with attacks which lead up to Sept. 11th.
I know alot of great people who have been through the same thing as Rush. Let's not be quick to judge.
And if you want to debate that is fine, if you want to make lewd comments then take them back to the wwbb.
I know alot of great people who have been through the same thing as Rush. Let's not be quick to judge.
And if you want to debate that is fine, if you want to make lewd comments then take them back to the wwbb.
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