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#1 Postby bfez1 » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:31 am

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#2 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:55 am

An orginization connected to the GOP and the Bush reelection campaign.

Led by a couple folks who gleefully took out civilians in Vietnam.

These guys did NOT necessarily serve w/ Kerry. The guys that served directly above and below Kerry have been almost uniformly praiseworthy.
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#3 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:01 am

Thanks for the link Bonnie. Zwyts, where do you get your information, particularily the line about gleefully taking out civillians??? :roll:
...Jennifer...
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#4 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:21 am

Roy Hoffman

Rear Admiral Hoffman (ret.) was a Captain who headed up a Coastal Surveillance Force unit under which Kerry served. Douglas Brinkley writes about him on pages 177 and 178 in Tour of Duty:

...The new commander, hawkish Captain Roy Hoffman was ecstatic about Sealords. He knew that military reputations were made in wartime, and he was determined to make his in Vietnam. What's more, he had a genuine taste for the more unsavory aspects of warfare, and truly wanted to smoke the Viet Cong out of their tunnels, burn their jungle outposts, and annihilate them once and for all. Decades later, many Swift boat veterans under Hoffman's command would compare him with the rough-hewn colonel in the movie Apocalypse Now who boasted that he "loved the smell of napalm in the morning." In short, Captain Hoffman sought to convince his Swift boat skippers to do whatever it took to notch splashy victories in the Mekong Delta and thereby get him promoted.

Kerry would never forget how ardently Captain Hoffman lauded the exploits of one "enterprising officer" from the Danang Swift division. The officer had surprised some thirty Vietnamese who were fishing in round, floating baskets just off the shore of a peninsula in an area that was, unfortunately for them, a free fire zone. Hoffman considered it ideal military thinking that the Swift skipper had shown the presence of mind to sneak his boat in between the baskets and the shore, cutting the fisherman off from escape and then opening fire on them. All the baskets were sunk, and so were the fishermen. "Fantastic," Hoffman reportedly proclaimed upon hearing the news. Kerry himself would later hear Hoffman praise such "industriousness" at a remarkable meeting in Saigon. Clearly, the Navy had undergone a sea change. Not only were cowboy antics on the rivers of Vietnam no longer frowned upon, they were rewarded with medals.
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#5 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:06 pm

What is the source? You did not give us a link.
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#6 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:21 pm

mattgunn.com
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#7 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:58 pm

Ah, a Bush-hating source. Real nice. lol.
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#8 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:00 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Ah, a Bush-hating source. Real nice. lol.


The actual post was from a book by Douglas Brinkley, not from Gunn.

And I have to balance out the Kerry hating sources that you guts link...lol
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#9 Postby southerngale » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:11 pm

Funny though that if someone posts something from Newsmax, even if it's a direct quote from somewhere else, ya'll say "Oh from Newsmax. lol" or something like that.
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#10 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:19 pm

AMEN Kelly! And thanks!

You are right zwyts, I have alot of guts.
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