i'm leaving

[wannabehippie]

many of you, who shall remain nameless, have shown time and time again not only a lack of respect for my political beliefs but a lack of respect for me as a person.
it is one thing to disagree with me, but you should at least respect me for my beliefs on the issues.
and it is entirely another to show a lack of any respect to me personally.

there are some who i argued with on the issues, who at least showed respect to my stands. for those i thank for their respect.

all this being said i will no longer put up with this lack of respect.

therefore i am leaving this forum, and hopefully will find another, where i can express my opinions, have an honest debate on the issues and be respected for my stands.

peace
david

[mf_dolphin]

I hate you feel that way David! I try and respect all opinions even though I don't agree with most of yours. Not being trite just truthfull. Your views to seem to me to be on the far left of the spectrum and therefore seem to get a lot of attention from the conservative side of the board. I hope you reconsider and stand-by your convictions. If not then I wish you good luck!

[Stephanie]

I'm so sorry to see you go Wannabe! Please don't!!

Who's going to back me up???

I've seen the many posts you are referring too and I get riled up reading them as well. I believe that Storm2k really does want to have a good representation of all different types of opinions. Clearly though, we're in the minority and as I've discussed with you I feel like it's an uphill battle somedays too.

Perhaps just take a few days to cool off?

If not, please let me know where you "land". You do have my e-mail address. I at least value your opinions[/b]

[JQ Public]

I know wannabe!! I want you to stay too How boring this place would be if they only had me and stef to disaggree with. I always loved how you believe so strongly in everything you posted...and i wish you would reconsider

[Rainband]

Everyones view on this board should be respected and I feel very bad you feel this way. I hope you reconsider and come back. I have also been offended but you have to be the bigger person and realize sometimes the majority doesn't rule

Sincerely
Johnathan

[bfez1]

Hope you rethink your decision and decide to stay!

[breeze]

Wannabe, here are some of my local folks that you might
want to hang out with - they will share your views!

http://www.thefarm.org/

Take care!

[weatherwunder]

Anytime political view points are discussed, there is a chance that feelings will get hurt.

I hate to see ANYONE leave due to that. I just hope I have not said anything to offend anyone.

-Jeff

[StormCrazyIowan]

I am sorry you feel that way too! I stay out of any form of debates, I'm just not into it, and I am not into hurting anyone's feelings! I am sorry you feel disrespected and I hope you can find enough respect in this post to reconsider and stay

[Steve H.]

I don't like to see people get abused for their beliefs. I would hope this board won't get like many others I've seen. I have seen some very mature and level-headed people post on this board who are extremely tolerant of other viewpoints. It's nice when we agree on things; it's also healthy to hear diffferent viewpoints. I've seen forums here people flame each other constantly, which only shows their ignorance. Those forums usually disappear after a while. Hang in there Hippie. I was once a hippie too, so it's refreshing to hear different views. Like I said, I'm no war mongerer. When you put your faith in man you will be disappointed. My faith is in the man upstairs, so these arguments don't bother me. Take that attitude and we can laugh about all our differences. The pendulum is swinging to the right currently. And remember, No one can tick you off if you don't let them

[JetMaxx]

I am sorry you were offended here....but if you are looking for a weather forum with some very liberal members, I suggest http://www.wright-weather.com

I rarely post there anymore...primarily because I've been offended over my conservative beliefs on several occasions.

[southerngale]

Oh no hippie...you shouldn't leave. I enjoyed debating you and I hope you felt respect from me. I don't agree with you most of the time and that clearly showed, however I respect you as a person.

I don't know who you were referring to but I wouldn't let anyone run you off!! Your beliefs (no matter how lopsided ) are clearly very strong and you have every right to express them. And I have every right to show you why you're wrong.

I'm just teasing you now of course.

Anyway, I hope you reconsider.

[Arizwx]

many of you, who shall remain nameless, have shown time and time again not only a lack of respect for my political beliefs but a lack of respect for me as a person.
it is one thing to disagree with me, but you should at least respect me for my beliefs on the issues.
and it is entirely another to show a lack of any respect to me personally.

there are some who i argued with on the issues, who at least showed respect to my stands. for those i thank for their respect.

all this being said i will no longer put up with this lack of respect.

therefore i am leaving this forum, and hopefully will find another, where i can express my opinions, have an honest debate on the issues and be respected for my stands.

peace
david

Stand and Defend your beliefs in Life David.Noone is running you off.Noone has disrepected you as a person,Your's Truly included.I won't coddle you.You are an American man.You choose.Real American men don't get offended easily.They regroup and defend.
I am a Red Blooded American Man.I defend the right to free expression.
Mine included.
I do not take sides in Liberal or Conservative Camps,as you may have seen my rather direct retorts to Mr Orrt.Moore had a right to express himself,no matter how distastefully...however,distasteful is Moore's gimmick...hence the flick 'Roger and Me'.
I fought to defend our Constitution and our way of life.Many did and are as I write.So,that is your birthright as an American.
So then is your right to choose.Stay or leave..your choice.Freedom.
The difference is,in the grand scheme...why not stand and defend?That would be my choice.Respect given here on this cyber exchange is a courtesy.In life,it is not an entitlement,it is earned and defended each day.
I reviewed your last entry last evening re: the Haliburton thread,which I believe has precipitated your discomfort here.My spirited participation within that thread I suspect,is at least part of you decision to leave.This is a shame.Your last retort was actually quite good.Very good.It was cohesive and logical for the most part.I enjoyed it and it caused me to pause and research.I rarely do this, unless I believe it may have merit deserving of my time to pursue it.Therefore,the debate was healthy.
Lastly,you may want to reconsider...stand and defend..or leave?Character.
This seperates the Men from the Boys IMO.I may finish by saying that this notion of 'being offended' is carried too far in modern Western Culture.Have we become that soft?I sincerley hope not.Intelligent people like yourself David are very valuable.I value it.Now,the choice is yours.
Whichever you choose,Be Well & Safe.

[Miss Mary]

StormCrazyIowan: >>I am sorry you feel that way too! I stay out of any form of debates, I'm just not into it, and I am not into hurting anyone's feelings! I am sorry you feel disrespected and I hope you can find enough respect in this post to reconsider and stay.<<

Jacki sure said it! Took the words out of my mouth too. I stay out of debates here also and hate hurting anyone's feelings. I don't even recall "meeting" you before David. But I hate to see anyone leave Storm2K. You really are at a great message board. The freedom to post what you want to is a definite plus here. Maybe you've felt offended but please reconsider. Sounds as if many want you to stay. Hope that makes you feel better! And it's nice to meet ya. Hoping you stay too........

[j]

I agree with all the above. Although I strongly disagree with your views, it is your American right to express your opinion. Unfortunately for you, Steph, and JQ (did I miss anybody?), your views are almost always 180 degrees to the majority. I've been accused of being rather "lose lipped" at times, but never do I intend to directly insult you or anybody else. There are certain issues that I will get passionate over, and I have been met with staunch opposition. The problem arrises when an individual interprets a representation of view as a personal attack. As an American we are expected to defend ourselves, and those we love. Stick around and defend your views and if somebody serves you an injustice, let them have it right back. I'm not saying be a combative, rather stand up for what you believe in.

Now..all that being said, I personally would not have the "courage", or tenacilty to debate with a board dominated by Liberals. There is a certain comfort level being amongst those that share your values and moral codes. Therefore you are to be commended for sticking it out this long.

I personally would like to see you stay.

[Lindaloo]

Here we go again. He did this same thing over at TWC. He would attack streetsoldier then get angry when streetsoldier gave him a run for his money. THEN this thread happened over there. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. He wants you to believe in his point of view ONLY but when challenged he throws his fit like you are seeing here.

Steph... I hardly doubt you need anyone to back you up. You can handle yourself well.

[wx247]

Well... I don't idenitfy myself as liberal, but I guess I am much more liberal than some on this board.

David...there were some things on this board that I could see might upset you, but you have to realize that this is cyberspace and the way things are typed may not be meant the same way as we take them.

I understand about the posting and personal attacks issue, but realize that it might not have been meant in a hurtful manner.

I hope you reconsider.

[Stephanie]

:roll: Here we go again. He did this same thing over at TWC. He would attack streetsoldier then get angry when streetsoldier gave him a run for his money. THEN this thread happened over there. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. He wants you to believe in his point of view ONLY but when challenged he throws his fit like you are seeing here.

Steph... I hardly doubt you need anyone to back you up. You can handle yourself well.

Hey Linda - thanks for the compliment, but I've seen alot of the posts and he only posted his opinion only to be raked over the coals be being called a "lefty", a "commie", "unamerican", etc. I agree this kitchen is alittle too hot to handle sometimes for me too. Kitchens sometimes also have a way of burning a house down as well.

[Arizwx]

:roll: Here we go again. He did this same thing over at TWC. He would attack streetsoldier then get angry when streetsoldier gave him a run for his money. THEN this thread happened over there. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. He wants you to believe in his point of view ONLY but when challenged he throws his fit like you are seeing here.

Steph... I hardly doubt you need anyone to back you up. You can handle yourself well.

LindaLoo,
Well said.Only this time,he ran up against me.Albiet the drama continues with the 'nameless' nonsense.I remember well what you refer to at the old TWC zoo.
Streetsoldier became very upset and physically ill after some of attacks on him here.Streetsoldier is a decent man and tolerant as they come,as am I.However,he was so ill,he left the MB here for awhile.I called him and asked how he was every few days.His son was very helpful to his dad.
They are as you know,quite close.
Now,I don't live for these BBs...but some folks that are infirmed can use these places as a healthy way of 'getting out' and socialize.Streetsoldier was the one of these people.Thankfully he has returned.I saw the heat being turned up with some inflammatory remarks by David,that I did take exception to idealogically and chose to challenge.I used logic,debate and some edgy humor,albeit I explained it was well intentioned.I apololgized as a gentleman...it went un noticed save for our sweet Stephanie.Thanks Steph!I respect her very much..and you are correct..she can hold her own!
However,I asked pointed and logiacal questions,and answered many in the course of the discussion.They were largely ignored.However,I did not mind until the second swipe at our Vice President.That,including the previous implications were getting abit much.I realized no matter what logic was used,the mindset was locked.Fair enough.No problem.Then this drama..and of course the implications that I would be responsible for running him off.Nothing is further from the truth..and I stated as much in my earlier reply in this thread.You may want ot review it.It is honest and polite...direct yes..but honest and appropriate.And the coddling continues by nice,well meaning folks here.Possibly then I should leave...and I IMed
Vbhoutex last eve with those thoughts in mind.
I may do just that...if this drama keeps up.Afterall its only a message board.

[NJWxGuy]

I must agree with Arizwx's sentiments within this thread. I couldn't have said it better myself. Stand up and defend yourself if you feel so strongly on an issue, even if it offends most people. However, this is the behavior of a far left-wing Liberal. They tend to get very haughty, flustered and sometimes violent when challenged on an intellectual level, and their beliefs are proven to be what they are...shallow and not supported with realistic ideals. Some tend to want to live in this utopia fantasy world, where everyone just seems to love each other. That, in itself, is sophomoric in nature, as WannabeHippie has proven to be time and time again. I also find it hard pressed to call an individual that makes such strong statements without factual support "intelligent". It seems to me that the entire meaning for this thread was to take an undermining blow at AZ for his correct, intelligent, and revealing replies to our Liberal resident...