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Persistent Back Pain

#1 Postby pojo » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:24 pm

I know I'm rather young to have this problem, but for the past couple of days, I have been having back pains that lead to shooting pain up and down my spine and left leg. :cry: Sometimes, my left leg will go completely numb... which was the case on Saturday during formation (drill weekend). Our capt saw that I was having problems with my left leg and he walked me over to the wall that way I could have someone look at me. Due to the back pain, I was taken to the medical squadron on base and the doctor told me that I have a possible bulging disk in my lower spine. :cry: The capt (doc) requested that I have an MRI done. (rest of the story later)

Here are my symptoms... It is extremely uncomfortable to sit (emphasize extremely); uncomfortable (but bareable) to stand and when I lay down, my left leg will go numb. The disk will pinch the nerve (I was diagnosed with sciatica last year) Driving is the most painful thing to do. Road bumps... OUCH! I have a nice gingerly walk going on right now.

I went to the walk in clinic here at home and the doctor there told me what I knew already... and I quote "your nerves are working right" well DUH! :roll: I told him that my military doctor wanted an MRI done. But he was like.... you don't need an MRI... it will not show your problem. (yes, it will!) He gave me 500mg Naproxen (which doesn't work!) :roll: and Flexeril... (due to my crazy daily schedule, haven't taken any yet... M,W,F up at 0600; T,R up at 0400; Sat up at 0500... Sunday up when my body tells me its time to roll my butt out of bed.) From what I heard from my boss, Flexeril is good stuff! No adult beverages with that.

My boss had the same exact thing and he went through rounds of cortizone injections, but finally had to get surgery. I talked with a doctor that came into the Y to swim during his lunch break and he told me bluntly that I have a herniated disk and that the doctor that I saw during walk-in should have granted the MRI request. I have to call down to the Medical Squadron down on base and have an request for an MRI faxed up to my doctor. I have a follow up appt with my OWN doc and I hope she requests an MRI and hopefully, I can get an recommendation to see the NeuroSpine Center here in Appleton.

Anyways, I was investigating my problem on the Mayo Clinic site... Sciatica happens when a herinated disk presses on the nerve which 1) will cause numbness in my leg or 2) will cause shooting pain down my leg. Both of these have happened in the past couple of days.

This is what Mayo Clinic website says:

A herniated disk occurs with:

Marked bulging of the disk into the spinal canal
Pieces of the disk breaking off and entering the spinal canal
This can damage or put pressure on nearby nerves.

Herniated disks are painful. Depending on the location of the problem, signs and symptoms may include back pain that shoots down your arm or leg.

A doctor may confirm a diagnosis of a herniated disk by:

X-rays
Magnetic resonance imaging
Computerized tomography
Electrical nerve conduction tests (electromyography)

Depending on the severity of the problem, treatment may include:

Rest
Pain medication
Heat or cold therapy
Surgery


Needless to say, these upcoming weeks will be fun. I have my Physical Conditioning Test on 24 Oct... and right now, any kind of PC is painful... It is hard enough to stand after sitting.
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#2 Postby coriolis » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:27 pm

I have/had that too Pojo. The exact same symptoms too. The reflexes in my one leg were gone too. I had an MRI which clearly showed the bulging disk. Get one! The back doctor said that it was not bad enough for surgery - that is a last resort. My wife had a disc removed, and while it alleviated the acute pain, she now has persistent moderate pain. Some tradeoff! I took it easy for about 3 days, got some good narcotics, and that calmed it down. For the long term, I lost 40 pounds, watched how I lift things, and put lower gears on my bike. Those things helped a lot. It doesn't bother me anymore. But I'm sure that if I did something stupid again it would be back. (he he) It's the over-exertions that really bother it. You may have to take it easy if you're still doing construction work. It will never really get better, but there may be things you can do to manage it.
I'm 46, but I know you're a lot younger.

Hope that helps a little. You should also talk to Azsnowman. He's a veteran at the back thing.
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#3 Postby TazzyD » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:39 am

My hubby had a ruptured disk that affected his sciatic nerve. He ended up having surgery. His surgeon told me the pain from it was comparable to having 5 abcessed teeth! OUCH!!
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#4 Postby azsnowman » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:15 am

Shannon, I don't have much time to post this morning, SAR training, answering the DANG PHONE ALREADY :grr: but let me say this REALLY QUICK, "DO NOT" let them talk you into back surgery UNTIL you get 2nd, 3rd and even 4th opinions. I have degenerative disk disease and let me tell you, like Ed said, myself along with Bill AKA Streetsoldier, are EXPERTS on bad backs. I'll post more later when time allows.

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#5 Postby pojo » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:27 pm

Thanks, surgery is my last resort (same basis as my left ankle) I have a doc appt on next thursday, so I will see what she says. I am going to call down to the Medical Squadron on base and hopefully, they will be able to grant the MRI. My boss recommended a NeuroSpine doc for me to see (at NeuroSpine Center in Appleton)... I found out this morning that Flexeril last 12 hours! That was fun at work this morning. Naproxin does not work on my body... absolultely no pain relief.

Ed, the only thing I'm lifting is a backpack and little children (swimming lessons) Sunday night Habitat meetings were too hard to get too. Its a 45 minute drive to campus, and a meeting that MAYBE lasts 20 minutes.... not worth my drive.
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#6 Postby pojo » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:35 pm

Update: I talked with the Medical Squadron and the person on the other end suggested that I beg for an MRI or Electromyography. That will identify the problem. He also said that I should not be satisified with the results of what the walk-in doc said... The walk-in doc was an a@@hole. Naproxin doesn't work.... and Flexeril works, but I have 12 hours of drowsiness (which I can't have)
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#7 Postby FireForEffect » Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:54 pm

Sounds like Sciatica or piriformis syndrome. I got it a few years back from running on pavement. It is finally going away since I have been doing heavy squats again. It is ironic that lifting heavy will HELP your back instead of hurt it. You need to do certain stretches:

http://www.spine-health.com/topics/cd/p ... pir04.html

http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayart ... le170.html
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#8 Postby azsnowman » Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:48 pm

pojo wrote:Update: I talked with the Medical Squadron and the person on the other end suggested that I beg for an MRI or Electromyography. That will identify the problem. He also said that I should not be satisified with the results of what the walk-in doc said... The walk-in doc was an a@@hole. Naproxin doesn't work.... and Flexeril works, but I have 12 hours of drowsiness (which I can't have)


OK..I've got a FEW seconds here Shannon. I agree with FireforeEffect, it sounds EXACTLY like the symptoms he descried to a T! Now my back pain on the other hand is totally different. It's a constant pain with spasms, I take Roboxin, it's a milder form of a muscle relaxant, I also take Lortab 10/500 and when the pain is REALLY bad, I take Oxycontin 50 mg. Believe it or NOT......GOLF REALLY helps my back, SERIOUSLY, SO......like that one "Everyone Loves Raymond" Episode, I had the doctor write a prescription to Michelle so I "HAVE" to play GOLF :P

Dennis 8-)
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#9 Postby coriolis » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:22 pm

LOL Dennis, maybe I can get a prescription for lots of lovin, if you know what I mean.
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#10 Postby azsnowman » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:33 pm

coriolis wrote:LOL Dennis, maybe I can get a prescription for lots of lovin, if you know what I mean.


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#11 Postby Stephanie » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:48 pm

I'm sorry Shannon! I do hope that the walk-in doctor will get you that MRI. If not, get another doctor. That's what second opinions are all about!

You are TOO YOUNG to be going through this and you have so much going for you! I'll keep you in my prayers!

Does being in the water help you at all? I would think that would be good therapy even though it's not going to help move that disk.
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#12 Postby pojo » Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:23 pm

I DO have Sciatica... that is partially the problem, but I get to the point where I can't walk anymore.

I swam with my swimming lesson kids on Thursday, that actually helped. (I have the highest level, which they basically just need a few pointers). I have my Physical Conditioning (Air Force) test on 24 Oct and sit-ups are painful... my spine cracks when I'm doing them.

I have heat pads that help in some instances, but depending on the severity of the pain.

I have a doc appt on Thursday, we'll see what MY doc says.
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#13 Postby Stephanie » Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:31 am

I'm sure your doctor will send you for an MRI. Keeping my fingers crossed!
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#14 Postby pojo » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:08 am

UPDATE:

I saw my personal doctor yesterday and she IS granting the MRI :D :D She felt something suspicious on my lower back (lumbar region) and she found numerous muscle spasms around that area. Another red flag that went up (in association with the back pain) is that I have numbness of the left side of my left foot (which is my problem foot). She was a little leary of that. However, she is worried about my back right now. I'll have the MRI next week Tues... If something does look wrong, then I'll have another short notice appt and a recommendation to hopefully see an osteopath. If not, then physical therapy and muscle relaxers. (funny story... I taught her son in swimming lessons!) Word of note... the Y is about a block away from the hospital and the clinic. Tons of doctors work out there.)
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#15 Postby Stephanie » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:49 am

That's great news about the MRI Shannon!
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#16 Postby streetsoldier » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:34 pm

Shannon,

My back is still "out" as I type this; I was barely able to get out of bed this morning, and I have to walk VERY slowly, one foot in front of the other. My pain is centered in the lumbar area, in which I do have one vertebrae that is perforated. Add the degenerative spinal disorder to that, the pain I feel when even someone touches me inadvertently, and...well, you get the idea.

There is NO operable condition in my case, and the RX you mentioned is contraindicated due to the stuff I have to take fror DSS, anxeity and dysthemia. So much for that.

GET THAT MRI...OK?
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#17 Postby pojo » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:26 pm

I am... MRI will be preformed on Tuesday :D
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#18 Postby HurricaneGirl » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:56 am

A procedure called VAX-D may be able to help you Shannon.
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#19 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:47 pm

any info on vax-d would be deeply appreciated as i too have degenerative disc disease and sciatic nerve impingement. this causes pain, spasms, numbness, loss of reflex, stiffness, and is in general a royal pain in the a$$ literally.
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#20 Postby HurricaneGirl » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:13 pm

http://www.vaxd.com/

Here is a link to the Vax-D webiste. Hope this helps.

You can do a google search too. Just type in VAX-D and you'll get alot of information that way too.

VAX-D is used for lower (lumbar) back problems. It is not used for upper (cervical) spine problems. I have cervical disc disease.
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