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Famous athiest now a deist...

#1 Postby justjake » Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:33 am

ABC News

Only part of the article is quoted, click on above link for whole story.

NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 — A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives.

"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."

Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.

Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.

There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.

Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"


The part I find interesting is:

Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big deal."


I don't buy that for a second! I am sure that Carrier is extremely disappointed and it may consider a lot of people to reconsider atheism.

He may not be a Christian, but may influence some to become one. :lol:
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#2 Postby Guest » Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:27 pm

Thanks for the link. I have been finding myself leaning in that direction lately. I had wondered were to start research.
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#3 Postby kevin » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:48 pm

Deists do not believe in a personal god.


Here is what Robert Ingersoll has to say:
http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... ostic.html

I can stand deism. Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson.. these I understand.

I can understand morality, and how force used to deprive will is wicked.

But you could never convince me to 'believe because it is absurd'.

What I think when I am 80 years old will be very interesting..
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#4 Postby kevin » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:49 pm

Thanks for the link. I have been finding myself leaning in that direction lately. I had wondered were to start research.<<

Christianity or deism?

Christianity read the bible, Lewis, and Milton if you want a good read.

Deism, research Voltaire and the enlightenment.
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#5 Postby justjake » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:32 am

While I always believed in God's existance, I wasn't always a Christian.

Thanks for the link. I have been finding myself leaning in that direction lately. I had wondered were to start research.


No problem :)

I have many, many websites saved in my favorites. If you are looking for something specific, let me know and I will provide you with the links. I won't try to "convert" you either. Just information and let you find your own conclusion. I will just answer questions I can answer should you ask them.

Christianity read the bible, Lewis, and Milton if you want a good read.


I assume you mean C. S. Lewis maybe? I don't know of "Milton" that you speak. Who was he?
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#6 Postby kevin » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:47 am

Yes C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity is the thing I've read.

With Milton, its old but Paradise Lost is one of the coolest books ever written. Much better than Shakespeare.

Paradise Lost
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/moden ... lPL67.html
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