The Iranian 'President' is ... Insane

[kevin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4378948.stm

There has been widespread condemnation of a call by the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, for Israel to be "wiped off the map".

Well, evidently Mr. Ahma.. doesn't understand that Israel is already paranoid about everything (for good reason), and generations of leaders have been raised under the seige complex, and that they all swear never to let Masada fall again ; so he thinks its a good idea to call for their destruction. Israel should do what any sovereign nation on this planet would do, call for the Iranian legislature to condemn his remarks and state where they stand.

Realism dictates that Israel having the upperhand at the moment not let Iran gain the power to act on threats. Israel should immediately judge that there are two possibilities, one is that Mr. Ahma.. is doing this for popular support because its so clearly against Iran's national interests, and the other possibility is that Mr. Ahma.. believes what he says out of religious fervor and is a grave threat to the Israeli state. There is no way of finding out, but regardless Israel has to act on the worst possible situation.

Either Iran detracts the statement, or I am for America supplying Israel with the necessary armaments to secure her borders, and refueling over Iraq in the event of war.

[Brent]

Absurd...

[streetsoldier]

"Israel should do what any sovereign nation on this planet would do, call for the Iranian legislature to condemn his remarks and state where they stand..."

kevin,

The Iranian legislature is in place at the behest of the "shadow government", the mullahs who RUN Iran...none of them would have been elected without the approval of the theocrats in Tehran.

Therefore, no Israeli protest or demand is going to make any difference...even the speech is indicative of the "true" ruling Shi'ite panel of ayatollahs' and mullahs' views.

Israel had better button up their defenses, if they haven't already done so (unlikely)...or prepare a preemptive strike at the Iranian nuclear centers (which they have been planning for some time).

[kevin]

I'm just saying formalities before first strike. I see they're calling for Iran to be expelled from the UN today.

[wxcrazytwo]

I'm just saying formalities before first strike. I see they're calling for Iran to be expelled from the UN today.

Hmm, mayne the U.S. should be expelled for the IRAQ debacle. Maybe, just maybe Israel can take care for itself..

[kevin]

I'm just saying formalities before first strike. I see they're calling for Iran to be expelled from the UN today.

Hmm, mayne the U.S. should be expelled for the IRAQ debacle. Maybe, just maybe Israel can take care for itself..

I will address your two points in kind.

(1.) The U.S. should be expelled for the Iraq debacle.
Answer - Sovereignty resides with the people. Democracy and self rule are necessities to being a legitimate government. Also the right to self determination which was denied to Kurds and Shia. Therefore since the invasion of Iraq was not followed by annexation, and since the war was against the ruling Baath party, without the destruction of the state of Iraq in any form : America did not act in a manner worthy of explusion from the UN.

(2.) Maybe just maybe Israel can take care for itself.,
Israel is fully capable of defending itself and has a military capable of destroying anything the whole Arab region might throw at her. This was done with United States aid but the amount is overblown into propoganda. The Jewish state has great financial, scientific, and leadership resources to draw on and has, making it the most sophisticated state in the region. Were Israel to attack Iran and face retribution from Syria and Hezbollah, along with uprisings in the Palestinian area, it would be able to do without our help.

However letting one's ally go through hard times alone is not conducive to the development of alliances and the holding of ones we have. Policy is conducted in the national interests of America. It would be firmly (I believe) in our national interests to forward the motion of expulsion and support Israel in any moves they make to protect themselves.

You can't in the real world go up to another person and say 'I'm going to kill you.' without repurcusions. In fact were you to do that to any armed person which wearing a trench coat, I would say self defense measures are completely acceptable.

[Pburgh]

Wow, I didn't know that brought back the political forum. Ahhhh no this is world news.

[nystate]

Maybe, just maybe Israel can take care for itself..

If Israel were to bomb Iran, it would need USAF tankers to refuel its fighters/bombers en route as they do not have the range to make it to Iran and back. Also, they would fly over Iraqi airspace (which the US controls), so we would need to help them out there as well.

I'm sure we would help them in other ways, and we probably should do everything that we can do to help out. Iran is a threat to everyone, and it would be great if we could help Israel take care of it.

[kevin]

Maybe, just maybe Israel can take care for itself..

If Israel were to bomb Iran, it would need USAF tankers to refuel its fighters/bombers en route as they do not have the range to make it to Iran and back. Also, they would fly over Iraqi airspace (which the US controls), so we would need to help them out there as well.

I'm sure we would help them in other ways, and we probably should do everything that we can do to help out. Iran is a threat to everyone, and it would be great if we could help Israel take care of it.

They will also fly over Jordanian airspace, but I don't think the Israelis will care to notify them. And you're right about the range, eastern Iran is a very long ways to go. The question becomes if they bomb them how will they make sure the technology has been hindered. Maybe agents on the ground? It'd be an enormous exercise for a small nation like Israel, but if anyone can pull it off it would be Israel.

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Please do not make this politics. We are discussing a very important international event. Republican / Democrat doesn't mean much to this situation.

[Cookiely]

I'm not sure if the correct term insane applies here. If we use the term insane then all terrorists who wish to strike against the US or Israel are insane. I think they have been brainwashed to think a certain way which doesn't have anything to do with mental illness. We must at all cost protect ourselves and Israel from these people who are so filled with hate. I don't think that we will ever be able to reason with or come to a compromise with these people. I believe that Israel has the capability to defend her borders but I am hopeful that if she needed our help we would be there to lend our support.

[JTD]

To me what is disturbing is that the Iranian people rejected the moderate candidate in the recent Presidential election. I truly thought that Iran was on the cusp of another revolution but it clearly is not.

I am deeply disturbed by the Iranian gov.'s comment that "it is our god-given right to have nuclear weapons" or something similar. I believe that this regime is bent on obtaining nuclear weapons and USING them.

This amplifies the folly of the U.S. invasion of Iraq even more. Instead of 125,000 troops stuck in Iraq, an invasion force should be massing against Iran at the present time. They are the true threat to world peace.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

^The sad part is that if we hadn't invaded or threatened Iraq and we were amassing troops to invade Iran because of their comments, do you know who would most likely support us in an invasion of Iran.

C'mon guess.

Yep, Saddam Hussein. He HATED the Iranians. Now, we have many people in Iraq who support Iran.


Hmmm...oh well! Everything is sunshine and blueberries!

[streetsoldier]

"To me what is disturbing is that the Iranian people rejected the moderate candidate in the recent Presidential election. I truly thought that Iran was on the cusp of another revolution but it clearly is not. "

No, the mullahs went out of their way to refuse participation in the process by moderate or reform (read: Western-leaning) candidates.

The final slate available to voters was 'hand-picked" to toe the Shi'ite religious/political line; hence, this clown as its President. BTW, Iran's President has no real power; that's reserved to the ayatollahs and mullahs.

The Iranian PEOPLE don't HAVE a voice...if it were allowed (and Iran has a very effective secret police and informant force to see that it's not), said "government" would have long since toppled.