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#1 Postby j » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:33 am

I saw and heard something my ears and eyes could not believe. Perhaps I'm a pessimist by nature...but just what has Slick Willy got up his sleeve?


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


BILL CLINTON, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.: Let me tell you what I know. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it we might have none of it. But we didn't know.

So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be a regime change, not just continued sanctions.

But this State of the Union deal they decided to use the British intelligence. The president said it was British intelligence. Then they said on balance they shouldn't have done it. You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in awhile.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O'REILLY: Wow. Well, you have to give Mr. Clinton credit. He is refuting the charge that Bush intentionally lied. And the former president gives credence to the WMD threat.

Now the ardent left has used those two issues to demonize the president. And now Bill Clinton has silenced them, at least for the moment.

Talking Points called [Massachusetts Senator] Ted Kennedy, no comment. [House Minority Leader] Nancy Pelosi (search), no comment. [Massachusetts Senator and Democratic Presidential Candidate] John Kerry, no comment. [Former Vermont Governor and Democratic Presidential Candidate] Howard Dean, no comment. On the journalistic side, the two big bomb throwers, Robert Shearer of The L.A. Times and Paul Krugman (search) of The New York Times, -- both unavailable for comment. You get the picture here?

Talking Points has warned the Democratic party that embracing the lie theory would be bad for it. First of all, WMDs might actually turn up. And secondly, you don't make those kinds of accusations against a sitting president or anybody else without absolute proof.

Finally, I gained a measure of respect for Bill Clinton (search) today. He did the honest thing and will take heat for it. The truth is that no one except President Bush really knows what he believed in his heart to be true. And it's grossly unfair to label him dishonest at this point.

The fact that the "lie choir" is now hiding under their desks really says a lot. All Americans should remember this.

Now that's The Memo.
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#2 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:54 am

Perhaps he decided to not criticize a sitting President, give him the benefit of a doubt, you know?
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#3 Postby southerngale » Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:06 pm

Well, his motive isn't that hard to see. Like O'Reilly said, embracing the lie theory would be bad for the Democratic party and he explained why. But they get so desperate they'll grasp at anything before they really think through the consequences. Although I don't like Clinton, he's smart enough to see the negative effect this is having on his party. There's your motive.

Interesting how none of those senators/and or Democratic candidates could muster up a comment. I guess they need to figure out how they're going to respond to this.

Stephanie, you could be right. Sadly, I just don't have enough respect for him to believe that. :wink: JMO
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#4 Postby mf_dolphin » Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:10 pm

I think the critical line from former President Clinton was.. "So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be a regime change, not just continued sanctions. "


I have been very critical of Mr Clinton in the past but this statement on his part should be applauded.
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#5 Postby JetMaxx » Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:32 pm

Maybe it's just mutual respect from a former president that knows what sitting in the hotseat over foreign affairs feels like..

I didn't vote for Clinton, and can't honestly say I've ever agreed with much he's ever said....but I do on what he said last night.

Once you've been President of the United States...the leader of the free world...the man with the responsibility to make the tough decisions (and then take the heat)....you likely have a little compassion for others that do the same...regardless of what party they are in.

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#6 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:03 pm

I'd like to think that because of the flack given to him and others about never criticizing an in office President that he's making amends. I think it is possible.
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#7 Postby JQ Public » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:10 pm

Lol y'all wouldn't have given him a break no matter what he said!
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#8 Postby j » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:31 pm

JetMaxx wrote:Once you've been President of the United States...the leader of the free world...the man with the responsibility to make the tough decisions (and then take the heat)....you likely have a little compassion for others that do the same...regardless of what party they are in.

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Somebody better tell Jimmy Carter that!
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#9 Postby Pburgh » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:37 pm

JQ, you are probably right - but it was the "prudent" thing to say!!!!lol

Nobody said he was a dummy!!
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#10 Postby j » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:42 pm

JQ Public wrote:Lol y'all wouldn't have given him a break no matter what he said!


Exactly.....he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and certainly doesn't deserve anymore respect than he afforded the American people who paid his salary.

I'm glad he said what he said...but this is a person, like his wife who will do anything to acheive power. I believe his goals are long term (2008).
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#11 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:50 pm

He is not a former president... he is a former impeached President. ;)
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#12 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:58 pm

JQ Public wrote:Lol y'all wouldn't have given him a break no matter what he said!


BINGO JQ!

Some people just like to gripe, no matter what happens.
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#13 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:11 pm

Slick Willy does not deserve a break today nor future breaks. He made a mockery of our white house. He lied to a grand jury which would have gotten the avergae Joe thrown in jail with the key thrown away. So anything he ever says needs to be taken with a grain of salt or better yet know that it is a lie.
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#14 Postby southerngale » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:24 pm

Stephanie wrote:
JQ Public wrote:Lol y'all wouldn't have given him a break no matter what he said!


BINGO JQ!

Some people just like to gripe, no matter what happens.


Hee hee Steph ;) --- I don't know if that was directed at me but I wasn't actually griping. I can't help it that I think he has an alterior motive with his public comments. I just honestly don't think it comes from the goodness of his heart. I'm not griping about it though...I just don't expect much from him. If he does happen to be sincere, we'll never really know, but it's hard to blame people for not finding his words touching when we know how he is. He made his track record...now he has live with the consequences. 8-)
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#15 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:02 pm

No, it wasn't at you inparticular SG. I understand what you said and why and I can understand that it will take alot for people to trust him.

There's always going to be people who will be set in their views and nothing nor noone will ever make them think any differently. I like to try and give the benefit of the doubt. For some it's just another reason to rag.
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#16 Postby rainstorm » Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:00 pm

clinton did it for one reason. he intentionally pulled the rug out from the dem pres candidates so they wont win in 2004. the clintons want hillary to be president in 2008, which wont happen if a dem wins in 2004.
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#17 Postby streetsoldier » Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:28 pm

Helen, I was about to say the same thing... :cry:
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#18 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:52 pm

rainstorm wrote:clinton did it for one reason. he intentionally pulled the rug out from the dem pres candidates so they wont win in 2004. the clintons want hillary to be president in 2008, which wont happen if a dem wins in 2004.



Helen.. I believe you are on to something. Any comments Steph? :o


IMO... Hillary will be wasting her time running for President.
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#19 Postby Stephanie » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:25 pm

Yes Lindaloo - it's possible.
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#20 Postby Guest » Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:36 pm

I would absolutely love it if a woman was finally in the White House. I've dreamed about that happening my whole life. Unfortunately, I'd have to vote no if the woman running happened to be Hillary Clinton. :wink:
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