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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1281 Postby vacanechaser » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:08 am

destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!



the others have been posted...


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Re: Tropical Storm Dean (pg.28) - Discussions, Analysis and Sats

#1282 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:08 am

x-y-no wrote:
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CourierPR wrote:Are the mountains of Puerto Rico high enough to disrupt Dean's circulation?


Mountains might be high enough, but there aren't enough of them.


Yeah, I think that's right.

Hispaniola can tear a storm to shreds, though.


Remember Georges. Mountain doesn't always work.
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#1283 Postby KFDM Meteorologist » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:09 am

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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1284 Postby StormWarning1 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:09 am

destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!


GFDL is run of the GFS. NHC weights the GFS heavier than other models, unless some really weird runin its forecast,they have said so.
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1285 Postby gtsmith » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:09 am

vacanechaser wrote:the shift could be in part due to the further south position of the center now


if it was initialized with that data
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1286 Postby destruction92 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:09 am

vacanechaser wrote:
destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!



the others have been posted...


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Where? A link would be nice. Thanks.
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1287 Postby Ivanhater » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:10 am

ugh..not getting picked up!
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Re: Tropical Storm Dean (pg.28) - Discussions, Analysis and Sats

#1288 Postby Sanibel » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:10 am

I know it is still way too early, but Florida being in the middle of GFS's wild fluctuations is starting to become credible...
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1289 Postby windstorm99 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:11 am

This run also looks better for luis...
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1290 Postby x-y-no » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:12 am

destruction92 wrote:
vacanechaser wrote:
destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!



the others have been posted...


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Where? A link would be nice. Thanks.



In this thread. For instance, page 28 has the 6z GFDL and HWRF posted by linkerweather.

I've posted the 12z Euro each day. They're back there somewhere.
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#1291 Postby KFDM Meteorologist » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:13 am

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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1292 Postby destruction92 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:13 am

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destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!


GFDL is run of the GFS. NHC weights the GFS heavier than other models, unless some really weird runin its forecast,they have said so.


Well here is what Derek Ortt (a respected and well-known meteorologist of ST2K) has to say about the GFS in a recent post:

"I do not use the GFS for forecasting hurricanes, so that run carries no weight for me

This kind of reminds me of what the models were doing with Ivan... they initially had Ivan missing the Caribbean when the synoptics guaranteed a Windward Islands hit. The Leewards are threatened by this one though... its not identical to the Ivan setup but does not appear all that dissimilar"
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1293 Postby Ivanhater » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:13 am

All bets are off folks :eek:
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Re: Tropical Storm Dean (pg.28) - Discussions, Analysis and Sats

#1294 Postby weatherguru18 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:13 am

loro-rojo wrote:
weatherguru18 wrote:
Now if I lived in the islands or Puerto Rico, now is not the time to panic. Most of the islanders (I think) have storm shutters that can automatically lower during a storm. This thing is still days away. I'm not so sure that this will feel the weakness of a troph. It's far to the south, even more so than first thought, and is farther west than anticipated. Again, it's all about the timeing. I have a gut feeling that this thing may buzz right by Puerto Rico (north or south). The next 24 hrs are critical. Afterall, your "asking" a hurricane to hit a point over a thousand miles away.


This is not true. I don't know what makes you believe that most Puerto Ricans have automatic storm shutters. Many Puerto Ricans have storm shutters, but that is besides the point.

The Puerto Rican economy is going through some hard times as we speak, and no one wants to go through a hurricane. The last thing this island needs is a hurricane to complicate things. Many people live in inadequate housing, and many mountain communities will be in danger of land slides and flash flooding.


I never said they wanted a hurricane. What I was implying is that there is just a good a chance of this thing by-passing Puerto Rico as it does to go right over it. They need to prepare...if I was in Aruba I'd be preparing. I'm not a big fan of this troph picking it up. But I could be wrong...probably will be but that's where I stand now.
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1295 Postby vacanechaser » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:14 am

destruction92 wrote:
vacanechaser wrote:
destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!



the others have been posted...


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Where? A link would be nice. Thanks.


its in these threads... they have been discussed and posted everytime one comes out... thats why the thread is labeled global models, models discussions... the header is changed when one of those are being posted...


besides, the gfs gives a complete long range look... whether it is right or wrong, everyone likes to look and guess where it is going... i know most times the gfs is crap.. but hey, its fun and something to due..lol


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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1296 Postby windstorm99 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:14 am

Looks GOM bound as of now.
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Re: Tropical Storm Dean (pg.28) - Discussions, Analysis and Sats

#1297 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:14 am

Andy_L wrote:hmmmm....posted this question already but i think it went into "post-never-never-land"

How close does Dean have to get to the Islands before Recon will start flights into the storm???


A flight is now scheduled for Thursday Afternoon.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIAREPRPD.shtml?

Very bottom of the Atlantic requirements.
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Re: T Storm Dean - Global Models=12z GFS run is being posted

#1298 Postby southerngale » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:14 am

destruction92 wrote:
StormWarning1 wrote:
destruction92 wrote:Why is it that every few hours for the past few days we have just been posting GFS nonsens???

What about other model runs...like GFDL, NOGAPS, Canadian, and Euro????

We all know how wise it is to depend on just 1 model for guidance!


GFDL is run of the GFS. NHC weights the GFS heavier than other models, unless some really weird runin its forecast,they have said so.


Well here is what Derek Ortt (a respected and well-known meteorologist of ST2K) has to say about the GFS in a recent post:

"I do not use the GFS for forecasting hurricanes, so that run carries no weight for me

This kind of reminds me of what the models were doing with Ivan... they initially had Ivan missing the Caribbean when the synoptics guaranteed a Windward Islands hit. The Leewards are threatened by this one though... its not identical to the Ivan setup but does not appear all that dissimilar"

Meteorologists don't have to agree. He has a right to his opinion.
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#1299 Postby jasons2k » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:15 am

Well, as I said what felt like 1,000 times yesterday, those were bogus runs.

This is more like it folks, unfortuntely for somebody...
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#1300 Postby KFDM Meteorologist » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:15 am

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