H. Félix RECON: Plane en route to the storm

#301 Postby **Evil Jeremy** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:04 pm

THE MISSION IS BEING
ABORTED AND THE AIRCRAFT IS RETURNING TO ST. CROIX.

WindRunner · #302 Postby **WindRunner** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:05 pm

Plane aborted per Special advisory #10 . . . graupel (soft hail), lightning, and extreme turbulence are forcing a return to base . . .

Coredesat · #303 Postby **Coredesat** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:10 pm

The thread title should probably be changed to reflect that the mission is over.

#304 Postby **brunota2003** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:12 pm

Coredesat wrote:The thread title should probably be changed to reflect that the mission is over.

Changed to reflect the mission was aborted rather? I am very glad they aborted the mission! We do not need a repeat of Hurricane Janet 1955 (Navy HH plane went down in relatively the same area)

WindRunner · #305 Postby **WindRunner** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:18 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
Coredesat wrote:The thread title should probably be changed to reflect that the mission is over.

Changed to reflect the mission was aborted rather? I am very glad they aborted the mission! We do not need a repeat of Hurricane Janet 1955 (Navy HH plane went down in relatively the same area)

Yes, well, that's probably part of the problem. P-3s are almost as old as that accident is . . . and therefore the new 130s should hopefully do better . . .

Scorpion · #306 Postby **Scorpion** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:34 pm

When is the next plane coming in?

yoda · #307 Postby **yoda** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:35 pm

Sometime soon... but I bet they are discussing whether or not to do that.

thunderchief · #308 Postby **thunderchief** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:37 pm

abort it. The scientific oddity of understanding the exact SLP or wind of this storm in the middle of the ocean and 2 days from land isnt worth a plane and ~7 pax.

Scorpion · #309 Postby **Scorpion** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:45 pm

thunderchief wrote:abort it. The scientific oddity of understanding the exact SLP or wind of this storm in the middle of the ocean and 2 days from land isnt worth a plane and ~7 pax.

I disagree... history must be recorded. The turbulence is just because it is rapidly intensifying.. once it reaches the upper-echelon Cat 5 level then it should be safe enough to fly into.

#310 Postby **CrazyC83** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:46 pm

thunderchief wrote:abort it. The scientific oddity of understanding the exact SLP or wind of this storm in the middle of the ocean and 2 days from land isnt worth a plane and ~7 pax.

I agree for now. Safety needs to come first and they need to discuss their plans further for such extreme winds. We have a good idea on the intensity anyway. My current estimate is 150 kt/924mb.

Matt-hurricanewatcher · #311 Postby **Matt-hurricanewatcher** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:48 pm

I think its closer to 155 knots. I'm not alll together discounting the surface wind data.

jhamps10 · #312 Postby **jhamps10** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:49 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:I think its closer to 155 knots. I'm not alll together discounting the surface wind data.

yeah, espically in the discussion, it states that a dropsnode dropped in the SW quad, landed in the NE quad!

thunderchief · #313 Postby **thunderchief** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:50 pm

yes scorpion, when we know the storm is somewhat steady based on sat imaged, send the plane. The problem is we have the eclipse coming up and I wouldnt launch until the first post eclipse image shows something reasonable(not a pinhole eye and tops as cold wilma).

gotoman38 · #314 Postby **gotoman38** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:03 pm

thunderchief wrote:yes scorpion, when we know the storm is somewhat steady based on sat imaged, send the plane. The problem is we have the eclipse coming up and I wouldnt launch until the first post eclipse image shows something reasonable(not a pinhole eye and tops as cold wilma).

That's an excellent point - I hope they consider that when deciding on the next mission.

With that in mind - POD has next mission scheduled to leave at 11:00 pm EDT and in the storm from 1:00am to 4:00am EDT

FLIGHT THREE
A. 03/0600Z
B. AFXXX 0906A FELIX
C. 03/0300Z
D. 14.6N 74.6W
E. 03/0500Z TO 03/0800Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

thunderchief · #315 Postby **thunderchief** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:20 pm

the sat apperence looks mostly unchanged, perhaps a little worse, over the last few hours. Rapid intensification is probably over and I would feel safe launching into this now, given that you have 2 more hours for the storm to stop RIing before intercept.

#316 Postby **pojo** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:31 pm

MISSION WAS ABORTED FOR CREW SAFETY.
END OF STORY.

#317 Postby **RL3AO** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:32 pm

Any word on the AF flight pojo?

#318 Postby **GeneratorPower** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:32 pm

pojo wrote:MISSION WAS ABORTED FOR CREW SAFETY.
END OF STORY.

Can you tell us if there was any aircraft damage, or any more details on what they ran into?

#319 Postby **pojo** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:33 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:
pojo wrote:MISSION WAS ABORTED FOR CREW SAFETY.
END OF STORY.

Can you tell us if there was any aircraft damage, or any more details on what they ran into?

All I can say is that NOAA2 did return SAFELY back to STX.

#320 Postby **Pebbles** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:34 pm

pojo wrote:MISSION WAS ABORTED FOR CREW SAFETY.
END OF STORY.

Pojo, do you mean tonight flight also or are you talking about todays earlier flight that was aborted midflight?

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