ATL: Tropical Depression Edouard

[MGC]

Didn't several of the deaths in S Florida when Katrina hit there were caused by trees falling on cars? If my memory serves me correctly, a lot of people were killed this way. It is not a very good idea to be outside in a TS or out driving around in your car.....MGC

[Tireman4]

[quote="Ed Mahmoud"]Addition to better safe than sorry.


I think it was Frances in 1998, that as just a tropical storm, caused some storm surge damage flooding in Galveston and Kemah areas. And even a tropical storm can have hurricane force wind gusts. And a tree branch hitting you can ruin the day.



I know. Frances. I went through her. The winds were howling in Santa Fe that night. I agree Ed. Never take anything lightly. But what I do know?

[stevetampa33614]

a solid dose of caution is always recommended for all of these situations. Storm chasers always heed this advice as well.

Indeed, people always get the idea hurricanes are fun events like an eclipse.

No, a Category 1 may kill you. Projectiles are everywhere not to mentino powerlines. During Frances I remember hearing about some guys got the idea to go out and rob an atm during a hurricane, since cops dont come out at TS force winds. Well Paramedics dont either, they both died when a tree fell on there van with a powerline and electrocuted both of them.

Now a Tropical storm is pretty fun. Pick your favorite bar and wait it out.

[wxman22]

I personally dont think the track will shift any more right due to the reformation of convection further south and west... the center could reform under the convection...

[jordanmills]

Didn't several of the deaths in S Florida when Katrina hit there were caused by trees falling on cars? If my memory serves me correctly, a lot of people were killed this way. It is not a very good idea to be outside in a TS or out driving around in your car.....MGC

It's a bad idea to be outside when there's any kind of severe weather. Especially when you combine flooding, high winds, and lighting. When I say I don't plan to even consider evacuating, don't think I'm saying I'll go jogging around the neighborhood all day.

[HouTXmetro]

I personally dont think the track will shift any more right due to the reformation of convection further south and west... the center could reform under the convection...

We shall see if the LLC gets sucked SW under the deep convection.

[jinftl]

Yep that is exactly what happened....the amount of cars on the road when a Cat 1 was making landfall was absurd...even as the eyewall was moving onshore. There was alot of 'it is only going to be a cat 1' talk in the hours leading up to the storm.

Didn't several of the deaths in S Florida when Katrina hit there were caused by trees falling on cars? If my memory serves me correctly, a lot of people were killed this way. It is not a very good idea to be outside in a TS or out driving around in your car.....MGC

[Houstonia]

a solid dose of caution is always recommended for all of these situations. Storm chasers always heed this advice as well.

Now a Tropical storm is pretty fun. Pick your favorite bar and wait it out.

Unless it's Tropical Storm Allison - then you want to make SURE the bar is above ground. :-/

[funster]

Hope it's not a hurricane. A strengthening cat 1 can cause a lot of damage - like what Katrina did in Florida. The probability of a hurricane is very low says this chart.

[docjoe]

at the risk of derailing....having been solidly in ivan and having the eye of dennis pass right over my house most people who say they would like to be in a storm havent actually been in one. i will admit the actual storm, if in a well built structure with no flooding potential, is rather exciting. however seeing the damage afterwards and living with years of rebuilding kind of takes the edge off of the excitement. i would agree with staying vs evacuating IF your house is well built and not in danger of flooding. remember with opal people almost got caught on the roads......sorry for the derail

docjoe

[stevetampa33614]

Well I dont see any issue with a temporary Derail because we have nothing to go by until the next recon pass at midnight ET.

People would be amazed what flys past you. trees, sticks, nuts, bolts. You wonder were half the crap came from.

[jordanmills]

at the risk of derailing....having been solidly in ivan and having the eye of dennis pass right over my house most people who say they would like to be in a storm havent actually been in one. i will admit the actual storm, if in a well built structure with no flooding potential, is rather exciting. however seeing the damage afterwards and living with years of rebuilding kind of takes the edge off of the excitement. i would agree with staying vs evacuating IF your house is well built and not in danger of flooding. remember with opal people almost got caught on the roads......sorry for the derail

docjoe

I think that's where we're venturing right now. And you make a few points that I should have. You shouldn't stay if your house isn't solid, is in an area that might flood, etc. When I lived in a waterfront condo, I left for anything with a name. But I've been through Alicia and Allison and others - and I've been through the Rita evacuation. All of them were fun in their own way. But my point is to consider your situation and use some common sense when you decide to stay or go - it's your time and life you're risking, one way or the other.

[jordanmills]

Well I dont see any issue with a temporary Derail because we have nothing to go by until the next recon pass at midnight ET.

People would be amazed what flys past you. trees, sticks, nuts, bolts. You wonder were half the crap came from.

If you're smart, you're under a soild roof in a brick house with securely boarded windows and you don't see any of it.

[baygirl_1]

Addition to better safe than sorry..
I heard another rule of thumb, repeated after Dolly, always add a Saffir-Simpson category, at least, to official NHC forecast as another course of least regret. If they predict a Cat 1, prepare as if you'd expect at least Cat 2 conditions.

Absolutely! I remember how scared we were during Cindy in '05. She didn't get upgraded to a hurricane til after the fact. So, we thought it wouldn't be much problem through the night as she headed over this way after landfall in LA. I've lived here my entire life, so I've experienced hurricanes. However, Cindy took us by surprise: the wind howled and tornado warnings kept coming out for hours. It certainly wasn't as bad as Hurricane Frederic, but it was worse than we expected. It was a very long night I won't forget! So, yes, prepare for one category higher than predicted--- just in case.
And, on a lighter note, I highly recommend M&M's, Cheez-Its, and Yoo-Hoo as great hurricane food. Comfort foods always help in stressful times.

[terrapintransit]

A hurricane watch has been posted for the coast of western Louisiana and eastern Texas...

http://www.cnn.com/

[southerngale]

You know all that media hype about GET OUT NOW and STAY INDOORS AT ALL COSTS and MAJOR LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE!!!!!111!!one! stuff? You can pretty much ignore it.

It's also not a good idea to downplay what can happen. Better safe than sorry, ya know?

A local guy died last year during Humberto when he woke up and went outside to check things out. His carport collapsed on him.

Also, the media is often relaying information from the NHC or other government/emergency officials. You shouldn't tell people to ignore that information.

"Better safe than sorry" killed several people in the Rita mass evacuation debacle. Fact is, action either way can cost you lots of time and effort or even your life. I have a hard time buying this new fad of running around like chickens with our heads cut off at the slightest chance of a storm.

Surely you're not being serious. A Category 5 hurricane was bearing down on a major metropolitan area and you think the public would have been better served ignoring official calls for an evacuation because a freak accident could occur during the evacuation process? If you're talking about media hype, I totally get it. But to advise such a blanket dismissal of a potential hurricane is simply irresponsible.

In extreme SE TX and SW LA were Rita did hit, the evacuation saved countless lives.

I know you're new and may not be very familiar with this board, but most of the people here are very interested in the weather and most particularly how it may affect them. YankeeGirl was just asking what to expect in her area because as it looks now, this could affect her area. That doesn't seem like such an unreasonable question to ask.

If you feel the need to continue this discussion, please PM me or post in prep thread as we're getting off topic.

[Stormcenter]

This is a pretty interesting sat. loop.

What direction does it look like it's moving in?

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satelli ... uration=12

[srainhoutx]

Our Katrina experience as a CAT1 in the Lower Keys...





The storm that we were not suppose to get.

[Javlin]

Personally I do not see the reformation taking place looks right where the NHC says and IF2 pretty much shows the same thing.I know we all like to second guess the NHC but hey they have been pretty good here of late,last few years.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-ir2.html

[jordanmills]

It's also not a good idea to downplay what can happen. Better safe than sorry, ya know?

A local guy died last year during Humberto when he woke up and went outside to check things out. His carport collapsed on him.

Also, the media is often relaying information from the NHC or other government/emergency officials. You shouldn't tell people to ignore that information.

"Better safe than sorry" killed several people in the Rita mass evacuation debacle. Fact is, action either way can cost you lots of time and effort or even your life. I have a hard time buying this new fad of running around like chickens with our heads cut off at the slightest chance of a storm.

Surely you're not being serious. A Category 5 hurricane was bearing down on a major metropolitan area and you think the public would have been better served ignoring official calls for an evacuation because a freak accident could occur during the evacuation process? If you're talking about media hype, I totally get it. But to advise such a blanket dismissal of a potential hurricane is simply irresponsible.

In extreme SE TX and SW LA were Rita did hit, the evacuation saved countless lives.

I know you're new and may not be very familiar with this board, but most of the people here are very interested in the weather and most particularly how it may affect them. YankeeGirl was just asking what to expect in her area because as it looks now, this could affect her area. That doesn't seem like such an unreasonable question to ask.

If you feel the need to continue this discussion, please PM me or post in prep thread as we're getting off topic.

Moving per request. I'll keep it in here:
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And thanks for putting up with a noob here.