ATL: IKE Discussion

[CronkPSU]

bunkertor-i have it on direcTV

here is the streaming link

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes

[txag2005]

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

What? Do they want to break the record number of deaths from 1900 ?

What infuriates me - when these people realize they are screwed, they'll call 911 and expect first responders to save them.

I'll keep this minimal, but I think the City of Galveston and Galveston County did a piss poor job regarding evacuations. Nothing was done in Galveston until Wednesday, then it was voluntary for Galveston proper on the seawall due to not being to get out in time. Then, not until mid monring yesterday did they call for a full evac. I agree with many here that you don't rely on the government when you're life is at risk, but lack of action speaks to many that its not serious. Regarding Galveston County, most areas, in evac Zone A (evacs recommended for all hurricanes) remained as a voluntary. I think there are stills tons of people in Texas City, Kemah, Friendswood, Clear Lake, Seabrook and the other various communities.

I hope to God this storm is not as bad as expected.

[bayoubebe]

KHOU-police shut down seawall avenue to anyone but reporters

and a pier has already collapsed

IMHO, I think sometimes reporters send a wrong message by reporting in the most dangerous areas. I've heard people make comments like, "Well, look at Anderson Cooper there, if he's safe there, i can be too." Yeah, I know they are supposedly put in the "best" shelters. But, when something supposedly catastrophic is coming to an area, it seems like there are NO safe shelters. When there are several reporters in the most dangerous spot, it just can send the wrong message out IMO.

[dhweather]

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

Sadly I'm not surprised. I was watching the local news feeds last night and people just didn't care.

The seawall will protect us = The levess will protect us

[jinftl]

Dr. Steve Lyons on TWC just reiterated...there will not be much in difference as far as wind damage if this becomes a low Cat 3, with worst in east quadrant (to right of eye).

He says no flood potential out of surge zones in houston...and that is a quote.

[GeneratorPower]

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

This is going to be bad.

It's possible that everyone left on the island will die.

[HurryKane]

And. http://www.sunherald.com/pageone/story/811192.html

GALVESTON: GET OUT!
A Sun Herald Editorial
For whatever reason it now appears that thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of the residents of Galveston Island, and untold others along the Texas Coast have chosen to stay and face the wrath of Hurricane Ike. As your neighbors in South Mississippi, who have watched the deadly surge of Katrina destroy virtually every mile of our coast, we care for your survival, and beg you to leave now. You should know further that in a nighttime storm your chances will be further reduced.

The hours dwindle, but it is not too late for you to flee and save your lives. There is something deceptive about the idea that Ike is only a Category 2 hurricane. The developing science of Integrated Kinetic Energy (ironically IKE) which expresses the destructive power of a hurricane’s surge, shows that Ike represents a force exceeding even Katrina’s surge, which was the largest ever seen against an American Coast.

The people of the Mississippi Coast know all of the excuses to stay “hunkered down” in their homes and comfort zones.

They survived the previous big storm (Camille, for us) there was no place for their pets, they were old, sick, tired, etc. Some were just skeptical. Many of them now lie in the sandy soil of their homeland, victims of the storm surge.

We ask our citizens to join us in this heartfelt mission to save those who may otherwise die where they are making their stand against Ike. If you know someone in Galveston or the South Texas Coast, please call them or e-mail them and tell them your stories of Katrina. Pass along this editorial and the links to our Katrina photos and stories. Make your comments on the reader commenting opportunity with this editorial.

It is not too late but with every passing hour your possibility of evacuating to safety is diminished. We implore you – do not become a casualty of Ike. Its deadly surge is coming, and no seawall, no plywood nor your false notion of safety will save you from its destructive force.

[jopatura]

http://blogs.chron.com/hurricanes/2008/09/galvestonians_ride_out_storm_w.html

On the corner of 15th and Postoffice, Landre Ware presided over a smoking grill while his friends used a ladder to board up the windows of their two-story apartment a little after 10 a.m.

"This is how you ride out a storm in Galveston, TX," declared Ware, 37, using a Heinekin bottle to gesture toward heaping piles of bar-b-que ribs, sausage and budain sizzling over the coals. On the street, music throbbed from the speakers of a black sedan. "If the power goes out you gotta have something to eat. We've got everything we need."

"Yeah, we ride it out," said his friend Mike Jones, 39. "We ain't going nowhere."

Ware plans to stay on the second floor as the waters rise and Ike batters on the walls. Already the surge from the bay had flooded the strand a few blocks away and water was beginning to spill out of nearby drains.

What if they get trapped? Ware's not too worried.

"We'll sit there with out orange jackets on and wave," he said.

[CronkPSU]

KHOU-coast guard already over 150 requests for rescues

and the coast guard has THREE helicopters

[Dean4Storms]

I know with the many experiences we have had here in the Destin area that if we saw the size and water rising this much ahead of the storm most if not all would be out of here!!!

[apocalypt-flyer]

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

What a disaster. Sorry but my first thought was 'Who's really the one to blame?' but I guess that's a bit late now.

[dhweather]

KHOU-coast guard already over 150 requests for rescues

and the coast guard has THREE helicopters

I'd almost tell them "sorry, you had your chance to leave" - the USCG is putting itself in grave danger due to these idiots.

[Dean4Storms]

Speaking of Helicopters, we have had several pacts of military helicopters pass by heading along the coast toward the west this morning.

[TSmith274]

These are people who have the means to evacuate, which makes this so senseless. Over 1,800 people died in New Orleans because they had no transportation or means to evacuate. This on the other hand is completely unthinkable.

[vortex100]

Latest satellite imagery indicates that strong convection is now starting to encircle the center of the storm, with strong indications now that rapid intensification could take place beginning in about 3-4 hours. This is very dangerous timing here folks, because the storm will likely be peaking again just before it makes landfall. This reminds me of hurricane Charley is Florida, which was a Category 2 storm for quite a while out in the eastern Gulf and then suddenly intensified to a Category 4 storm right before the eye went inland. However, Charley was a relatively small storm, while this storm rivals Katrina in size. In addition, like Katrina, the storm surge associated with this storm is what you would more likely expect with a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. Although Katrina hit with Category 3 winds, it had a Category 5 storm surge. This will likely also be true with Ike.

[jinftl]

TWC's Jim Cantore in Galveston...said 30,000 stayed...50% of city

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

Sadly I'm not surprised. I was watching the local news feeds last night and people just didn't care.

[JonathanBelles]

Just talked to SouthernBell (JessRomero), She is now 100 mi n of Port Arthur. She is staying with a sheriff, unfortunately in a mobile home. She is expecting that her house in Port Neches to be flooded. But what is better, being in your flooded house near the sea, or being a hundred miles away in a mobile home with a sheriff?

[Bunkertor]

dr neil frank is on...

talking about how some areas should have never been developed because of the risk of storm surge there...calling the storm surge basically a dome of water 50-75 miles long

Could you provide a link, please ?

http://flhurricane.com/ikecoverage.html

Ah, there´s the Dr.

Thanks

[bayoubebe]

CNN estimating 20,000 still in Galveston. Unreal.

What? Do they want to break the record number of deaths from 1900 ?

What infuriates me - when these people realize they are screwed, they'll call 911 and expect first responders to save them.

I'll keep this minimal, but I think the City of Galveston and Galveston County did a piss poor job regarding evacuations. Nothing was done in Galveston until Wednesday, then it was voluntary for Galveston proper on the seawall due to not being to get out in time. Then, not until mid monring yesterday did they call for a full evac. I agree with many here that you don't rely on the government when you're life is at risk, but lack of action speaks to many that its not serious. Regarding Galveston County, most areas, in evac Zone A (evacs recommended for all hurricanes) remained as a voluntary. I think there are stills tons of people in Texas City, Kemah, Friendswood, Clear Lake, Seabrook and the other various communities.

I hope to God this storm is not as bad as expected.

I agree with you totally.
Unfortunately, it may take a disaster to get people to take the storms more seriously.
I think that's why LA. did so well with Gustav preps and evacuations. People were fearful from Katrina and did not want a repeat.
I hope and pray those that stayed in Galveston are spared and Ike is not as life threatening as predicted.
We could see some very sad news otherwise in a couple of days.

[dizzyfish]

[quote="AJC3
and it ain't good, folks.
Poop Deck, 2928 Seawall Blvd, Galveston, TX

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... w=map&cd=1

Zoom out a bit to get a perspective.[/quote]




That is an understatement. Hope those folks are right with their maker - if you know what I mean.