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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11381 Postby cpdaman » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:44 pm

SouthFloridawx wrote:Mid Level Shear?

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And there is some vorticity to the SE of stretching into the Gulf.
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cpdaman wrote:this further emphasizes fay's tale of two sides

you can see her getting stretched out again (w-e) and her right side is pulling some deep convection closer to center while her left side ,well look

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-bd.html

is the high building in from the NW causing more east shear on her west side first?

what synoptic feature is obliterating and pushing her west side out. shear and dry air?

lets see if she can wrap those NE bands to her west , just a bit


that mid level shear looks pretty low over her about 10 mph/knots or less , especially given her N drift

also now that i checked upper level steering there appears to be a feature that is relatively new (3 hours) on the 200-700mb flow that has an east-west component that is likely responsible for the stretching to the west

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... 8dlm6.html
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#11382 Postby Ground_Zero_92 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:45 pm

chris_fit wrote:After a short break from rain.... looks like its building up again for Central/South Brevard County :(


I feel for you. I have had 14 inches here so far. The streets are flooded and water came in the house yesterday. I can't imagine 20-30 inches of rain. Please stay safe!
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11383 Postby deltadog03 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:46 pm

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#11384 Postby chris_fit » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:46 pm

http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=kgorcz ... 543&Pres=Y

Repost of the pics.... The other ones were loading too slow...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11385 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:47 pm

That is probably the culprit...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11386 Postby cpdaman » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:48 pm

deltadog03 wrote:http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/wg8dlm2.html

That is the correct steering flow.


thank you, shows the mid level ridge to the north nicely, wonder if she can drift northward to jacksonville before the turn
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#11387 Postby KWT » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:52 pm

Whats interesting to me is how the center is slowly tightening up, you can see the eastern eyewall slowly progress eastward as the system goes over warmer waters and tries to spin up again, doubt it has time to do anything too impressive but we shall see...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11388 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:52 pm

I'm seeing pressure drops north and south of the supposed center of circulation.

Buoy near the cape in southern convection.

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#11389 Postby BobWX » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:53 pm

She is gaining strength!
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#11390 Postby jlauderdal » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:54 pm

TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:I spy with my little eye...

3 kite surfers on Treasure Island Beach! Their kites are whipping around like crazy!!

All I can think is, Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum, and Tweedle-D'OH!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


hopefully they have a better result that the kite surfer in fort lauderdale that ended up in critical condition after smashing into the road
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#11391 Postby gtalum » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:54 pm

chris_fit wrote:http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=kgorczyn&P=&AID=5470543&Pres=Y

Repost of the pics.... The other ones were loading too slow...


At least it seems to be staying out of the houses.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11392 Postby cpdaman » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:55 pm

shallow near shore waters serious upwelling

bouy SE of fay's center has had a 6 degree temperature drop over last 24-36 hours

80-74, as she gets north and the G.S bend back NNW she could tap it (looks like she is in at least a limited way!,

*and what a difference a storm over water with 30 plus divergene above it will intensify should the waters go from 75 to even 80 or perhaps more
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11393 Postby NEXRAD » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:55 pm

Good evening,

Conditions were windy during much of the night here just west of the Kennedy Space Center. Peak gusts were around 40-mph, however stonger gusts (to 55 mph) were measured at times for areas closer the immediate coast. After 3:30 AM, Fay's center passed close to my location, with winds dropping substantially for awhile. Pressures here fell to 998mb.

This morning, persistant convergence banding has continued to worsen flood conditions across Southern Brevard county. This afternoon, as Fay's center moved farther offshore, stronger banding has developed with activity now prompting flash flood warnings for parts of Indian River county. During the early morning hours a dry air intrusion diminished convection northeast of Fay's center, and this drier air eventually caused shower and squall activity north of the storm center to lessen. This afternoon, however, the dry air region has been steadily shrinking and new moderate banding is starting to consolidate across Northern Brevard county. Composite radar imagery shows cells developing across Eastern Volusia county with offshore activity quickly approaching the Daytona Beach area.

Through the evening hours, I expect that more steady rain will develop across Volusia, and North Brevard counties. If Fay continues to slowly organize, then heavier banding may develop over these areas. To the south, a welcome dry air slot may work towards the Melbourne area lessening rainfall across soaked South Brevard during the next hour or two. However, convective activity over the Central part of the county has begun to show a Sward drift, and if this persists, rainfall will not come to an end. Finally, moderate to heavy rains associated with banding across Indian River county will continue into the early evening while additional lighter rainfall persists across Saint Lucie and Martin counties. Looking north, steadier light to moderate rain is increasing in coverage from Daytona Beach north to near Saint Augustine. As Fay organizes, this activity may intensify. More scattered rainfall will exist across the remainder of North Florida.

Surface observations indicate that sustained winds of 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 are common throughout interior East Central Florida and Northeast Florida. Along the coastal areas from Flagler Beach south to Melbourne, slightly stronger winds were occuring (20 mph sustained, gusting to about 40). During the evening hours, look for winds to slowly increase north of Melbourne Beach to Jacksonville Beach. Winds may become sustained at 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 50 mph if any heavy squalls can develop over a given coastal area. Winds will be less intense beyond 10 miles of the coast.

As for Fay's overall movement and intensity, look for a very gradual N to NNE drift over the next few hours. Later tonight, Fay will begin to move more N to NW, but the center should remain well offshore through the late night hours. This time over water will allow the tropical storm to strengthen. In general, I agree that the 50-knot peak intensity seems reasonable, however with the latest convective trends visible on radar and satellite showing a rebound in convection east of the storm center and strengthening squall activity, a return to 55 knot intensity seems possible. Watch for any tighter banding intruding within the dry area north and west of Fay's center as a sign that the tropical storm may strengthen to at least 50-knot intensity.

- Jay
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11394 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:56 pm

All joking aside about Fay... It's a good thing she didn't have a lot of time over water, cause she's a pretty decent sized system. Imagine if she did make it to Catagory 2, 3 or 4 strength in the GOM... That would have been a really big deal for the state. We are lucky in a lot of ways. Look at the track, a few big Metro Area's would have been affected.

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#11395 Postby KWT » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:57 pm

I think it probably is strengthening now a little cpdaman, well maybe not right now but the center is slowly tightening and if this continues then we should eventually see a slight increase in strength, but doubt it has the time nor space to do anything too impressive...
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#11396 Postby chris_fit » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:58 pm

gtalum wrote:
chris_fit wrote:http://www.dotphoto.com/Go.asp?l=kgorczyn&P=&AID=5470543&Pres=Y

Repost of the pics.... The other ones were loading too slow...


At least it seems to be staying out of the houses.



It's not any more, those pictures are a few hours old... even though it's not raining, levels continue to rise. Lots of homes are flooded out here, mine is still ok, for now. Water in the backyard though.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11397 Postby cpdaman » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:58 pm

I remember a local NOAA disc regarding a low off GA, ( eventually edouard) that seemed to be saying how (with steering currents low) that the low pressure may trend toward the warm gulf stream waters, do any promets know if this theory holds water

i.e can the gulf stream lure warm core storms over by it should steering current be otherwise low
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#11398 Postby jaxfladude » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 pm

BobWX wrote:She is gaining strength!

Just a tad at most....
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11399 Postby xironman » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 pm

The latest radar seems to be showing some nicely placed meso's going around the "eye" area. Fay may have a chance if it can hang out a couple of more hours before running from the water.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay in East Coast of Florida

#11400 Postby NEXRAD » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:05 pm

cpdaman wrote:I remember a local NOAA disc regarding a low off GA, ( eventually edouard) that seemed to be saying how (with steering currents low) that the low pressure may trend toward the warm gulf stream waters, do any promets know if this theory holds water

i.e can the gulf stream lure warm core storms over by it should steering current be otherwise low


This is the first I've heard of that, however it doesn't seem too far-fetched. Indeed, Fay's center seems to have crept just a little more east to me, albeit I'd call the movement "stationary."

- Jay
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