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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#121 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:57 am

MiamiensisWx wrote:I think the track depicted by the operational GFS is too far north, and the operational model is displaying its notorious northward bias again. A surface ridge axis is currently situated over 94L and south of the upper level weakness induced by Bertha. Since this system will develop slowly during the vast majority of the short term, a more southerly track is probable. As Bertha begins to move out of the picture as it feels the influence of the H5 cutoff low to its east, 94L will be near the Windward Islands. As mentioned by NDG, a strong mid to upper level ridge is progged to develop over the eastern CONUS and Caribbean Sea. Even if 94L is likely stronger (TS) at that time, the ridging will negate any potential NW movement. It seems more likely that a path through the E Caribbean or interaction with Hispaniola (a compromise between wxman57's solution and my view) is more probable.

Good analysis, but Ill say it again, that 94L is not the wave that the GFS develops. It develops the wave that is further east, that was around 30W yesterday. But that likely makes your analysis more verifiable because since it is further west, there is likely less northward movement available for the storm than if it was at say, 30W. However, the track and intensity will all be determined by if/when this develops. Personally, I think there is a very high chance of development, and I cant see why there wouldnt be, but I have no idea when this will happen or how strong it will get.
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#122 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:59 am

NDG wrote:I can't wait to see the GFDL and HWRF, I am sure they will be right bias like Bertha and send out 94L out to sea, :lol:


they were actually very accurate in forecasting bertha. We all thought they were crazy and right biased, but they were actually the most accurate on Bertha, so none of the models can be considered biased because their track isnt what we expect or want.
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#123 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:02 pm

I don't think the GFS is all that bad in terms of its track with this system however I think it could well be a east coast threat IF it develops down the line. Right now the main threat IMO seems to be for the e.Caribbean.

Further down the line looks like a ridge tries to develop to the north of the system and where it goes will just depend on how strong this ridge is and whether it can break down. I don't think it will be a gulf threat BUT who knows at this range!
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#124 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:04 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
NDG wrote:I can't wait to see the GFDL and HWRF, I am sure they will be right bias like Bertha and send out 94L out to sea, :lol:


they were actually very accurate in forecasting bertha. We all thought they were crazy and right biased, but they were actually the most accurate on Bertha, so none of the models can be considered biased because their track isnt what we expect or want.


How can you say that, since the beginning they were right bias, especially the HWRF, a good example it was this run, if they would had been right, Bertha would had been a lot further NE of Bermuda by now:
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#125 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:05 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
NDG wrote:I can't wait to see the GFDL and HWRF, I am sure they will be right bias like Bertha and send out 94L out to sea, :lol:


they were actually very accurate in forecasting bertha. We all thought they were crazy and right biased, but they were actually the most accurate on Bertha, so none of the models can be considered biased because their track isnt what we expect or want.


Once it became stronger they wqere very good but they sucked so badly at first, lest us forget the track to the north at 45W, that went rather badly wrong. In the other situation it was always going to be a case that the stronger the storm the more northerly it would go, it just so happened the GFDL did very well with the strengthening of Bertha for the 2nd time compared to many of the other models.
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#126 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:06 pm

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#127 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:08 pm

KWT wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
NDG wrote:I can't wait to see the GFDL and HWRF, I am sure they will be right bias like Bertha and send out 94L out to sea, :lol:


they were actually very accurate in forecasting bertha. We all thought they were crazy and right biased, but they were actually the most accurate on Bertha, so none of the models can be considered biased because their track isnt what we expect or want.


Once it became stronger they wqere very good but they sucked so badly at first, lest us forget the track to the north at 45W, that went rather badly wrong. In the other situation it was always going to be a case that the stronger the storm the more northerly it would go, it just so happened the GFDL did very well with the strengthening of Bertha for the 2nd time compared to many of the other models.


I agree about the only thing right that the GFDL did was with its strength forecasts, the SHIPS has done horribly this year.
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#128 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:17 pm

Hmmm generation probablities aren't all that high but then again its probably still a little bit away from being a tropical system I suppose.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#129 Postby Sanibel » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:18 pm

Recent red IR near the center is a sign of potential.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#130 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:21 pm

Slowly its consolidating.

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#131 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:24 pm

Luis estoy de acuerdo. I agree Luis.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#132 Postby canegrl04 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:25 pm

Wre could be looking at a TD by morning
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#133 Postby GeneratorPower » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:28 pm

canegrl04 wrote:Wre could be looking at a TD by morning


It sure looks that way.
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#134 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:33 pm

IMO, it still has a broad surface circulation, but ML circulation is getting better and better, it just a matter of time for the MLC to have surface reflection soon, a good 24hrs or so.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#135 Postby Blown Away » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:36 pm

canegrl04 wrote:Wre could be looking at a TD by morning


At this pace I agree, convection popping near the center on the IR.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-avn.html
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#136 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:39 pm

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Loop: http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 130845.GIF

Bertha and possible Cristóbal are trying to improve this year their bad show in 2002. Bertha already did it hands down.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#137 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:40 pm

2 PM TWO:

ABNT20 KNHC 131737
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT SUN JUL 13 2008

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM BERTHA...LOCATED ABOUT 190 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA.

A LARGE AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS...ASSOCIATED WITH A
TROPICAL WAVE AND SURFACE LOW...IS LOCATED OVER THE TROPICAL
ATLANTIC OCEAN ABOUT 1550 MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD
ISLANDS. THIS SYSTEM HAS BECOME A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED DURING
THE DAY...AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION
DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS THE WAVE MOVES GENERALLY WESTWARD
AT 10 TO 15 MPH.
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#138 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:43 pm

It does seem to be organising but IMO it still is a good 24-36hrs away yet becuase the broad natur eof the low pressure system, though it does seem to be wel lon its way.

This one needs to be watched very close for the Windward islands and also the NE Caribbean at first then who knows further down the line maybe the US?
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#139 Postby jinftl » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:43 pm

Getting 'that look' about it...

HURAKAN wrote:Image

Loop: http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/product ... 130845.GIF

Bertha and possible Cristóbal are trying to improve this year their bad show in 2002. Bertha already did it hands down.
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#140 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:45 pm

there is a parallel thread in tropical analysis where questions can be asked by the mets and provide analysis
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