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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1461 Postby Sabanic » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:12 am

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ronjon wrote:Caneman, relax, still a long ways off - and the models could continue to shift east the next few days - remember Fay? That 06Z GFDL track would be the worst case for Tampa Bay bringing in storm surge from a major. Let's hope they turned on the hurricane deflector shield at McDill next week. :lol:
Anyway, here is what the GFS and GFDL are keying on - a weakness in the 500 mb ridge that grows until it separates at 132 hrs. Did anyone notice that Ike slows down to just 6 or 7 mph the last 30 hrs of that run? Yikes! :eek:

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You're right Ronjon. However, I want to point a couple things out here. Look at the consistency with these 3 models now. Consider how for several days we've remain nerly in the middle of the cone. Also, we've been under the gun with false alarms a couple times already with other storms. Consider how we are approaching the fall pattern. Something I want to point out to all Tampa Bay area residents is that just because we haven't been hit with a major in a long time doesn't mean we won't . People often site this, however, please consider how many times we've been hit by Tropical Storms. We rank fairly high on Hurrican Alleys site of frequent TS visits. The pattern have favored us getting hit many times by high end TS storms the just haven't been majors. I liken it to playing baseball. While you may be a player that hits singles all the time, if you keep swinging enough occassionally you will get a double, triple or in the park home run. Are we up to bat. Too early to tell. I've be more concerned if it keep swinging this way in the 2-3 day time frame.


That is the exact same feeling we have here in Mobile. Since '79 we haven't been hit directly by a TS or Cane, but we have had them come ever so close on either side. We feel that eventually we are going to get that direct hit, and that is what we fear. You can only go so long being so fortunate.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1462 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:13 am

ronjon wrote:Caneman, relax, still a long ways off - and the models could continue to shift east the next few days - remember Fay? That 06Z GFDL track would be the worst case for Tampa Bay bringing in storm surge from a major. Let's hope they turned on the hurricane deflector shield at McDill next week. :lol:
Anyway, here is what the GFS and GFDL are keying on - a weakness in the 500 mb ridge that grows until it separates at 132 hrs. Did anyone notice that Ike slows down to just 6 or 7 mph the last 30 hrs of that run? Yikes! :eek:

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max mayfield had mentioned that big slowdown last night at days 4 and 5, correct me if im wrong but hurricanes rarely slow down then start picking up speed again in the same direction before the slow down
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1463 Postby stormhorn » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:14 am

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Hurricane Cheese wrote:I pray that the people of LA won't be complacent concerning Ike. There is an increasing threat that a significant system could be heading in the general direction of NOLA by next weekend.

Pray that people fight through the fatigue and do what they have to do to get out of harm's way if it does indeed come to that.


One big problem is the $$ to evacuate again...loss of work, gasoline, etc.

US tax paying $$ goes to support people in hotels up to 3 months, gas $$ and expenses as well as being out of work up to 6 months. Gotta love FEMA.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1464 Postby caneman » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:14 am

jlauderdal wrote:
ronjon wrote:Caneman, relax, still a long ways off - and the models could continue to shift east the next few days - remember Fay? That 06Z GFDL track would be the worst case for Tampa Bay bringing in storm surge from a major. Let's hope they turned on the hurricane deflector shield at McDill next week. :lol:
Anyway, here is what the GFS and GFDL are keying on - a weakness in the 500 mb ridge that grows until it separates at 132 hrs. Did anyone notice that Ike slows down to just 6 or 7 mph the last 30 hrs of that run? Yikes! :eek:

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max mayfield had mentioned that big slowdown last night at days 4 and 5, correct me if im wrong but hurricanes rarely slow down then start picking up speed again in the same direction before the slow down


Yes. Slow downs many times indicate a directional change.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1465 Postby Sabanic » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:17 am

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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1466 Postby Portastorm » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:18 am

Funny how three days ago some of us Texas posters had our cone as Tampa to Tampico (no disrespect meant to our friends in the Florida Keys) ... and now three days later that cone is still "in play." Amazing!
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1467 Postby Jagno » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:21 am

stormhorn wrote:
mpic wrote:
Hurricane Cheese wrote:I pray that the people of LA won't be complacent concerning Ike. There is an increasing threat that a significant system could be heading in the general direction of NOLA by next weekend.

Pray that people fight through the fatigue and do what they have to do to get out of harm's way if it does indeed come to that.


One big problem is the $$ to evacuate again...loss of work, gasoline, etc.

US tax paying $$ goes to support people in hotels up to 3 months, gas $$ and expenses as well as being out of work up to 6 months. Gotta love FEMA.

This was way out of line and not even factual. Please discuss Ike.

I would be somewhat suprised to see the ridging as far south as some models are seeing it. As mentioned above however, our weather has been unusual.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1468 Postby Sabanic » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:21 am

Portastorm wrote:Funny how three days ago some of us Texas posters had our cone as Tampa to Tampico (no disrespect meant to our friends in the Florida Keys) ... and now three days later that cone is still "in play." Amazing!


What's funny is how when 2 days ago I mentioned a well known hurrican expert in our area stating that Ike would more than likely enter the GOM many members on the FL Pen nearly ripped my head off for making such a statement. There was no way possibly that was going to happen.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1469 Postby Portastorm » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:24 am

Sabanic wrote:
Portastorm wrote:Funny how three days ago some of us Texas posters had our cone as Tampa to Tampico (no disrespect meant to our friends in the Florida Keys) ... and now three days later that cone is still "in play." Amazing!


What's funny is how when 2 days ago I mentioned a well known hurrican expert in our area stating that Ike would more than likely enter the GOM many members on the FL Pen nearly ripped my head off for making such a statement. There was no way possibly that was going to happen.


To be honest, Sabanic, I didn't catch the Florida heat you got on that one but I do remember reading your post. Dr. Williams (?) and the European model lead the charge for the "Ike is heading to the GOM" idea. Appears they were spot on.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1470 Postby caneman » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:27 am

I don't recall aynone on the West coast of Florida ripping your head off. We've been concerned we could catch it either way.
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1471 Postby stormhorn » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:29 am

One big problem is the $$ to evacuate again...loss of work, gasoline, etc.[/quote]
US tax paying $$ goes to support people in hotels up to 3 months, gas $$ and expenses as well as being out of work up to 6 months. Gotta love FEMA.[/quote]
This was way out of line and not even factual. Please discuss Ike.

I would be somewhat suprised to see the ridging as far south as some models are seeing it. As mentioned above however, our weather has been unusual.[/quote]

"Anyone who may qualify should sign up for FEMA's Individual Assistance program and keep all receipts. Those without documentation could not be reimbursed, he said, regardless of the parameters FEMA sets for the benefit.

• Rental payments for temporary housing for those whose homes are unlivable. Initial assistance may be provided for up to three months for homeowners and at least one month for renters. Assistance may be extended if requested after the initial period based on a review of individual applicant requirements.

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You need to do some investigating before you claim something isn't factual. I was only responding to people's concern over lack of $$ available to evacuate.
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#1472 Postby jusforsean » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:29 am

We are going bonkers here in SFL yes, no , mabey so, I am currently unsure what it is that i am preparing for exactly, hurricane, TS, nothing perhaps?? I am not sure that they are even 100% comfortable with the current forecast?? I cant help but remember andrew when he hit 1 hour away from where he was suppose to and threw everyone for a loop. Ike is driving us NUTS!! :double:
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1473 Postby Sabanic » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:31 am

caneman wrote:I don't recall aynone on the West coast of Florida ripping your hear off. We've been concerned we could catch it either way.


CM there were a few that seriosly questioned my source, and with no mix of words basically told me my source was nuts.


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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1474 Postby otowntiger » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:33 am

Sabanic wrote:
Portastorm wrote:Funny how three days ago some of us Texas posters had our cone as Tampa to Tampico (no disrespect meant to our friends in the Florida Keys) ... and now three days later that cone is still "in play." Amazing!


What's funny is how when 2 days ago I mentioned a well known hurrican expert in our area stating that Ike would more than likely enter the GOM many members on the FL Pen nearly ripped my head off for making such a statement. There was no way possibly that was going to happen.


That's more than an overstatement. I don't remember anyone ripping your head off. I just remember people asking you to provide more info on this guy and some insight to his reasoning. I admit however at the time as being incredulous. But no one was 'ripping your head off'. Please. :roll:
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1475 Postby physicx07 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:33 am

cycloneye wrote:06z GFDL ends just east of Tampa,after it tracks thru the north coast of Cuba but not crosses the island.This time,it does not go to the NW Caribbean.

WHXX04 KWBC 061128
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

HURRICANE IKE 09L

INITIAL TIME 6Z SEP 6

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 22.5 66.2 260./13.0
6 22.0 67.7 250./14.8
12 21.7 69.1 260./12.8
18 21.3 70.3 250./11.9
24 21.1 71.3 256./ 9.5
30 20.9 72.5 264./11.3
36 20.8 73.5 262./ 9.8
42 20.7 74.3 267./ 7.6
48 21.0 75.3 283./ 9.7
54 21.3 76.3 286./ 9.6
60 21.5 77.3 285./10.1
66 21.9 78.1 299./ 7.7
72 22.5 79.1 300./11.6
78 23.1 80.1 300./10.8
84 23.6 81.1 298./10.3
90 24.1 81.7 308./ 6.9
96 24.8 82.4 315./ 9.4
102 25.4 82.8 325./ 7.0
108 26.0 83.1 334./ 7.0
114 26.6 83.1 357./ 6.1
120 27.2 83.2 352./ 5.5
126 27.8 83.3 354./ 6.6


Crap, almost right over Key West, missing it by about 20 miles. My favorite get away. Poor K.W. Wonderful people there. I hope they fare OK from this! :(
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1476 Postby Myersgirl » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:38 am

:uarrow: EAST of Tampa???
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1477 Postby gtalum » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:45 am

Myersgirl wrote::uarrow: EAST of Tampa???



No, that's about 50 miles west of Tampa.
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#1478 Postby KWT » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:45 am

I think the GFDL actually looks pretty realistic apart from I think it bends a little too hard to the north towards the end of
the run.

Still we shall see what the 12z models show, those are obviously really important!
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1479 Postby Myersgirl » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:46 am

gtalum wrote:
Myersgirl wrote::uarrow: EAST of Tampa???


[url=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=27.8+n+83.3+w&ie=UTF8&ll=27.779557,-82.622681&spn=0.884525,1.785278&t=h&z=10&iwloc=addr]
No, that's about 50 miles west of Tampa.[/url]


Must be a typo
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Re: ATL IKE: Models Discussion

#1480 Postby gtalum » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:48 am

Myersgirl wrote:
Must be a typo


I don't know why my link didn't work, but if you go to Google maps and input the coordinates at 126 hours, you'll see it's 50 miles WSW of Tampa. Too close for comfort, but west.
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