Tropical Storm Fay RECON Discussions

[Ed Mahmoud]

Ed they did go down to about that latitude, no LLC but there was slightly lower pressure there.

Not quite far enough South, IMHO.


As pointed out on main 92L thread, not much convection where I might be seeing a center anyway.

[cycloneye]

The next mission will be tommorow afternoon:

A. 13/1800Z
B. NOAA2 03DDA CYCLONE
C. 13/15OOZ
D. 19.0N 56.5W
E. 13/1630Z TO 13/2130Z
F. SFC TO 14,000 FT

[HenkL]

First this one ("IF NECESSARY"):

FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 71
A. 13/0600Z
B. AFXXX 02DDA CYCLONE
C. 13/0300Z
D. 15.0N 57.0W
E. 13/0500Z TO 13/0900Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

[dixiebreeze]

Plan of the Day
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000
NOUS42 KNHC 121500
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1100 AM EDT TUE 12 AUGUST 2008
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 13/1100Z TO 14/1100Z AUGUST 2008
TCPOD NUMBER.....08-073

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (APPROCACHING THE LEEWARD ISLANDS)
FLIGHT ONE -- NOAA 42
A. 13/1800Z
B. NOAA2 03DDA CYCLONE
C. 13/15OOZ
D. 19.0N 56.5W
E. 13/1630Z TO 13/2130Z
F. SFC TO 14,000 FT

FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 72
A. 13/1800Z, 14/0000Z
B. AFXXX 04DDA CYCLONE
C. 13/1515Z
D. 19.0N 56.5W
E. 13/1700Z TO 14/0000Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT THREE -- NOAA 43
A. 14/0600Z
B. NOAA3 05DDA CYCLONE
C. 14/0300Z
D. 20.0N 58.0W
E. 14/0430Z TO 14/0930Z
F. SFC TO 14,000 FT

FLIGHT FOUR -- TEAL 70
A. 14/0600Z,1200Z
B. AFXXX 06DDA CYCLONE
C. 14/0315Z
D. 20.0N 58.0W
E. 14/0500Z TO 14/1200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: CONTINUE 6-HRLY FIXES.
P-3 MISSIONS EVERY 12 HRS.

[artist]

recon still on for today?

[cycloneye]

recon still on for today?

They canceled for today.

[artist]

thanks cycloneye!

[Ed Mahmoud]

recon still on for today?

They canceled for today.

The NOAA mission as well? I did notice a lack of current HDOB info for a plane that should be airborne already.

[Ed Mahmoud]

Today's POD for tomorrow is almost an hour late.

Don't know if that means anything.

[Derek Ortt]

NOAA is out of Barbados, so if they are flying, they would not take off for a little while yet

[Ed Mahmoud]

NOAA is out of Barbados, so if they are flying, they would not take off for a little while yet

POD showed a 1500 (actually, 15OO) departure time. I did see how yesterday's invest took about an hour even getting close to 92L.

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 ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. SUSPECT AREA (APPROCACHING THE LEEWARD ISLANDS)
       FLIGHT ONE -- NOAA 42
       A. 13/1800Z
       B. NOAA2 03DDA CYCLONE
       C. 13/15OOZ
       D. 19.0N 56.5W
       E. 13/1630Z TO 13/2130Z
       F. SFC TO 14,000 FT


[Chacor]

NOUS42 KNHC 131600
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1200 PM EDT WED 13 AUGUST 2008
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 14/1100Z TO 15/1100Z AUGUST 2008
TCPOD NUMBER.....08-074

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (LEEWARD ISLANDS)
FLIGHT ONE -- NOAA 42
A. IN AREA 14/1800Z-15/0000Z
B. NOAA2 03DDA WAVE
C. 14/15OOZ
D. RESEARCH
E. 10,000 TO 14,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 70
A. 14/1800Z
B. AFXXX 04DDA INVEST
C. 14/1700Z
D. 18.0N 62.5W
E. 14/1700Z TO 15/0000Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT THREE -- NOAA 43
A. IN AREA 15/0600Z-1200Z
B. NOAA3 05DDA CYCLONE
C. 14/0300Z
D. RESEARCH
E. 10,000 TO 14,000 FT

FLIGHT FOUR -- TEAL 71
A. 15/0600Z,1200Z
B. AFXXX 06DDA CYCLONE
C. 15/0445Z
D. 18.5N 65.0W
E. 15/0500Z TO 1200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: CONTINUE 6-HRLY FIXES.
P-3 MISSIONS EVERY 12 HRS.

3. NOTE: THE AIR FORCE MISSIONS SCHEDULED FOR 13/18Z
AND 14/06Z AND THE P3 RESEARCH MISSION FOR 13/18Z
WERE CANX. THE P3 RESEARCH MISSION FOR 14/06Z WILL
GO AS SCHEDULED.

11. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
WVW

[Ed Mahmoud]

NOAA is out of Barbados, so if they are flying, they would not take off for a little while yet

POD showed a 1500 (actually, 15OO) departure time. I did see how yesterday's invest took about an hour even getting close to 92L.

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 ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. SUSPECT AREA (APPROCACHING THE LEEWARD ISLANDS)
       FLIGHT ONE -- NOAA 42
       A. 13/1800Z
       B. NOAA2 03DDA CYCLONE
       C. 13/15OOZ
       D. 19.0N 56.5W
       E. 13/1630Z TO 13/2130Z
       F. SFC TO 14,000 FT


Per Chacor's post, that flight was nixed. But they'll investigate a wave very early in the morning...

[SouthFloridawx]

Are those 10,000 - 14,000 for Upper Level Research?

[Ed Mahmoud]

IIRC, 500 mb is usually ballpark 18,000 feet, so 0 to 14,000 feet would be more low to mid level. I know pressure decreases with a decreasing rate with height, that the surface is ballpark 1000 mb, 850 mb is near 5000 feet, and 500 mb is about 18,000. Those numbers aren't exact, but they are ballpark. Three points, I could stick them in Excel and have it come up with a formula for altitude vs pressure. But I don't think I will.


The Gulf Stream gets up around 40,000 for high level data collection.

[HURAKAN]

Google RECON will be available. I just checked HenkL website and the mission is available.

[Ed Mahmoud]

Anyone know if the NOAA plane has been tasked to attempt a center fix, or is it strictly doing research? I read a few years back in a book about hurricanes, that had details about the Bret missions, at one time, the NOAA people welcomed NHC tasking, because then the flight was paid for out of a different budget than their research budget. They could still do research, but they also did recon. Wish I could remember the name of the book.

Anyway, just wondering.

[Derek Ortt]

this is a research flight

however, it is to study TC genesis

[Recurve]

Taking off from Barbados?

[cycloneye]

Taking off from Barbados?

Yes.