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#21 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:53 am

Very interresting and informative discussion from Suan Juan :) seems that it's mostly clear that 93L begins to have more conducives conditions in the near future....
000
FXCA62 TJSJ 190916
AFDSJU

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
516 AM AST FRI SEP 19 2008

.SYNOPSIS...
AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE
NOW CROSSING THE LESSER ANTILLES AND ENTERING THE EASTERN
CARIBBEAN...WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE SLOWLY WEST NORTHWEST TODAY
THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THIS FEATURE AND ASSOCIATED MOISTURE WILL
MOVE ACROSS OR JUST SOUTH OF THE LOCAL AREA LATE SATURDAY THROUGH
SUNDAY.AN UPPER LOW AND ASSOCIATED TUTT CONTINUES TO SLOWLY LIFT
NORTH NORTHWEST OF THE LOCAL AREA WHILE FILLING.

&&

.DISCUSSION...
THE DISTURBED WEATHER/TROPICAL WAVE CONTINUES TO PRODUCE A BROAD
AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE LESSER ANTILLES AS IT
MOVES SLOWLY WEST NORTHWEST. THIS FEATURE WILL UNDERGO LESSER UPPER
LEVEL SHEAR AS THE TUTT LOW LIFTS FURTHER NORTHWARDS...AND EXPECT
A GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT WITH INCREASING ASSOCIATED CONVECTION OVER
THE WEEKEND. ITS EXTENSIVE AREA OF DEEP MOISTURE WILL COMBINE WITH
LOCAL AND DIURNAL EFFECTS AS WELL AS FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL CONDITIONS
THROUGH THE WEEKEND...TO PRODUCE SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WITH LOCALLY GUSTY WINDS AND INCREASING SEAS ACROSS THE REGION. THEREFORE...A
FAIRLY MOIST AND UNSTABLE ATMOSPHERE WILL CONTINUE OVER THE NEXT
FEW DAYS...THEREBY INCREASING CHANCES OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY WITH LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY.

LATEST GFS MODEL GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT THE MOISTURE FIELD ASSOCIATED
WITH THE TROPICAL WAVE WILL TRACK JUST SOUTH OF THE LOCAL AREA
WHILE MOVING TOWARDS THE WEST NORTHWEST. UNSETTLED WEATHER CONDITIONS...WITH SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CLOUDINESS...SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMSCAN BE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE AREA TODAY ANDINTO THE EARLY PART OF THE UPCOMING WEEK AS TROPICAL WAVES WILL APPROACHES THE REGION EVERY COUPLE DAYS OR SO. ALSO...HOW THIS
PRESENT FEATURE EVOLVES OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO..WOULD DETERMINE
THE EXTENT OF THE RAINFALL ACROSS THE LOCAL ISLANDS AND SURROUNDING
WATERS. REGARDLESS...EXPECT CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS OF TROPICAL MOISTURE
AND UNSTABLE CONDITIONS TO PREVAIL ACROSS THE REGION AS UPPER LEVEL
CONDITIONS BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR INCREASED ACTIVITY. THEREFORE
BASED ON LATEST GUIDANCE AND PRESENT CONDITIONS...EXPECT INCREASED
POTENTIAL FOR AREAS OF LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL ACROSS THE LOCAL...
ISLANDS WHICH IN TURN COULD LEAD TO URBAN AND FLASH AND OR RIVER
FLOODING. ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS SHOULD MONITOR HOW THIS
SYSTEM UNFOLDS DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

&&

.AVIATION...
CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS AHEAD OF AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER
ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE ACROSS THE LEEWARD ISLANDS THIS
MORNING...WILL AFFECT TKPK AND TNCM UNTIL EARLY THIS AFTERNOON...
PRODUCING BRIEF MVFR OR EVEN IFR CONDITIONS UNTIL AT LEAST 18Z.
TEMPORARY MVFR CONDITIONS WILL SPREAD ACROSS TIST AND TISX
GENERALLY AFTER 17Z. LOW LEVEL MOISTURE AND GOOD HEATING WITH
NORTHEASTERLY WIND FLOW WILL BRING CONVECTION TO THE SOUTHWEST TWO
THIRDS OF PUERTO RICO AFTER 17Z...LASTING UNTIL AT LEAST 23Z...WITH
MOUNTAIN OBSCURATIONS...LOWER CEILINGS AND VISIBILITIES IN LOCALLY
HEAVY RAIN ACROSS TJPS AND TJMZ. PERIODS OF MVFR ARE ALSO EXPECTED
THIS AFTERNOON ACROSS TJSJ AND TJBQ IN SHRA UNTIL AT LEAST 22Z.
LATEST TJSJ 00Z SOUNDING INDICATED AN EAST NORTHEAST WIND FLOW UP
TO 20 KNOTS FROM THE SURFACE TO AROUND 20K FEET.

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
SJU 88 77 87 77 / 40 40 50 50
STT 86 78 86 78 / 40 60 60 50

&&

.SJU WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
PR...NONE.
VI...NONE.
&&

$$

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#22 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:01 am

Hey Cycloneye what's the weather like in our area?

Seems that things will turn as 93L has decent chances to bring unstelled conditions at PR during the next 48H/72H....
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#23 Postby O Town » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:15 am

Poof! At least for this morning. Looks to be sheared away over night.

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#24 Postby bvigal » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:32 am

No model runs since 0z, that tells us a lot. First few visible images certainly aren't impressive. If there is a surface low, I would look at 13.4N 62W, just west of St. Vincent. Watching sat loops, from last model run position SE of Barbados, that would be an expected position after almost 12 hrs moving WNW. The ULL is moving west, but water vapor shows the TUTT hasn't moved much. http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huwvloop.html

We will just have to wait and see. For our area, unless it develops rapidly (unlikely), don't think we'll have anything like the 2.28" rain Gustywind had yesterday. In fact, precip water product shows a pocket of dry air to our east.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#25 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:54 am

It looks like things are not favorable now and that means the invest may be deactivated later today:

848
ABNT20 KNHC 191150
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT FRI SEP 19 2008

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

DISORGANIZED CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS OVER THE LESSER ANTILLES...THE
ADJACENT CARIBBEAN AND ATLANTIC WATERS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A
WESTWARD MOVING TROPICAL WAVE. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS HAVE BECOME LESS
FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.


ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#26 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:10 am

Yesterday 93L had all the convection and no cyclonic rotation and today 93L has the appearance of a cyclonic rotation and is lacking strong convection.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-avn.html
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#27 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:22 am

000
AXNT20 KNHC 191109
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
805 AM EDT FRI SEP 19 2008

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...GULF OF MEXICO...CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN SECTIONS
OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST
FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED
ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS...WEATHER
OBSERVATIONS...AND RADAR.

BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY
THROUGH 1015 UTC.

...TROPICAL WAVES...
EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 62W SOUTH OF
20N MOVING SLOWLY WESTWARD. SCATTERED MODERATE SHOWERS TO
ISOLATED STRONG THUNDERSTORMS ARE FROM 10N TO 16N BETWEEN
59W AND 62W. AT LEAST ONE STRONG CELL OF THUNDERSTORMS IS ON TOP
OF TRINIDAD NOW. SOME ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATION OF THIS SYSTEM IS
POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT MOVES SLOWLY
ACROSS THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA. LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND
GUSTY WINDS WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF THE WINDWARD AND
LEEWARD ISLANDS...AND THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA TODAY.
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#28 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:37 am

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#29 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:20 am

No plans, no surprise:

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NOUS42 KNHC 191300
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0900 AM EDT FRI 19 SEPTEMBER 2008
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 20/1100Z TO 21/1100Z SEPTEMBER 2008
TCPOD NUMBER.....08-111

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

11. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#30 Postby Blown Away » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:30 am

IMO, looking much better over the past few hours. Convection firing around the broad circulation.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#31 Postby Sanibel » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:36 am

If a naked spiral is going to rebound this is the place. There's still good tropical juice down there. Plenty of moisture on the WV. TUTT area ahead looks to be slacking up. All up to 93L to refire now.
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#32 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:43 am

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Less TUTT = Less convection.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#33 Postby Sanibel » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:50 am

It should generate its own. All it needs to do is keep spinning and move away from the zone of tropical death.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#34 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:52 am

Sanibel wrote:zone of tropical death.


Tell that to Charley, Dennis, Iris, and many others that have prospered in this area.
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#35 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:54 am

not too surprised to see this....it's main provider of convection is gone as well as increasingly less favorable ULL winds. However the good news is it this would keep the storm W to WNW into the very warm waters of the caribbean.

However...the area won't persist if the convection collapses twice and we don't see some refiring occuring tonight. I'm sure unless that happens they will deactivate 93L.


Given the area though and the time of year...i'm inclined to still give this one a shot.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#36 Postby Sanibel » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:59 am

If you look at its current direction it is dipping WSW. It would have to loop to go on GFDL's track. WSW would take it under the worst shear.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#37 Postby Stormcenter » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:03 am

Weatherfreak000 wrote:not too surprised to see this....it's main provider of convection is gone as well as increasingly less favorable ULL winds. However the good news is it this would keep the storm W to WNW into the very warm waters of the caribbean.

However...the area won't persist if the convection collapses twice and we don't see some refiring occuring tonight. I'm sure unless that happens they will deactivate 93L.


Given the area though and the time of year...i'm inclined to still give this one a shot.


I'm not sure I understand what the "good news" is about 93L moving into warmer waters and possibly developing. I guess you missed what has happened in Texas and LA. the last few weeks. :roll:
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#38 Postby Gustywind » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:10 am

Showers are coming back here in Guadeloupe, maybe the convection is refiring a bit, nothing bad afterwards but the weather is grey sad and moist ....
http://www.meteo.fr/temps/domtom/antill ... Tagant.jpg
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#39 Postby bvigal » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:05 am

000
WHXX01 KWBC 191211
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1211 UTC FRI SEP 19 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL932008) 20080919 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080919 1200 080920 0000 080920 1200 080921 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 13.3N 63.5W 13.7N 65.6W 14.7N 67.7W 15.9N 69.6W
BAMD 13.3N 63.5W 13.6N 64.7W 14.1N 66.0W 14.9N 67.5W
BAMM 13.3N 63.5W 13.5N 65.0W 14.2N 66.8W 15.1N 68.7W
LBAR 13.3N 63.5W 13.9N 65.1W 15.0N 67.1W 16.4N 69.1W
SHIP 20KTS 22KTS 25KTS 33KTS
DSHP 20KTS 22KTS 25KTS 33KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080921 1200 080922 1200 080923 1200 080924 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 17.1N 71.9W 18.9N 76.1W 19.9N 80.3W 20.3N 83.2W
BAMD 15.7N 69.0W 16.9N 72.0W 17.4N 74.3W 17.5N 76.1W
BAMM 16.1N 70.7W 17.6N 74.4W 18.2N 77.8W 18.6N 80.2W
LBAR 17.6N 70.9W 19.4N 73.4W 19.1N 75.2W 18.1N 76.3W
SHIP 41KTS 53KTS 61KTS 64KTS
DSHP 41KTS 53KTS 46KTS 52KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 13.3N LONCUR = 63.5W DIRCUR = 275DEG SPDCUR = 9KT
LATM12 = 13.1N LONM12 = 61.6W DIRM12 = 276DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 12.9N LONM24 = 59.8W
WNDCUR = 20KT RMAXWD = 40NM WNDM12 = 20KT
CENPRS = 1010MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Discussion

#40 Postby Aristotle » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:21 am

This thing is starting to refire. It is also starting to find some rotation. This is not good boy's and girls. Me thinks this is going to become Kyle by early next week. Ugh. What do the synoptics look like for next week in the Carrib? Me thinks this is not good!

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-avn.html
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