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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#241 Postby canegrl04 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:38 pm

gatorcane wrote:
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Above models show South America is likely target. Sure they will flip flop.


It's pretty obvious what a "cone" will look like from above. Generally WNW. The shallow BAMs on the left would probably be disregarded given the tight global model consensus to take it WNW. Global models are more adept at picking up any weaknesses.


Excuse my language,but ... crap! It appears this one is going to be a US threat down the road. As soon as it gets named,I expect CNN,FNC and everyone else will be going crazy over Cristobol
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#242 Postby GeneratorPower » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:39 pm

gatorcane wrote:Yes the fact the TUTT is pulling out (thanks to Bertha) is not good at all.

Lots of deep convection folks -- this thing is cranking and cranking quick as it moves generally westward.

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You know it is serious when gatorcane starts using the word "folks". Keep at it, gator!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of the Windward Islands

#243 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:43 pm

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#244 Postby senorpepr » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:46 pm

http://www.tropicalatlantic.com/recon/a ... uct=URNT15


An aircraft just took off from Keesler at 2158Z and is heading south. Makes me wonder if this could be a staging flight for 94L. Then again, it could be something completely different.

I should make note that the last observation was from this flight (#302) was at 2210Z...
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#245 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:48 pm

Yep there is some deep convection now showing as the sun goes down and start to see cooling occuring as we begin the long process towards Dmax, if it carries on like this by the time we reach Dmax its going to look very impressive indeed.
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#246 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:49 pm

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gatorcane wrote:I can almost guarantee you that as soon as this thing is named a depression and the cone is pointing WNW towards the SE Bahamas that the South Florida media outlets will be all over this.



And.... oil will jump $5.00 as a result....Got love those commodity speculators...


go long on the USO ETF if you think thats the case
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#247 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:51 pm

senorpepr wrote:http://www.tropicalatlantic.com/recon/archive/access.cgi?month=07&day=13&year=2008&storm=08071321302&who=AF&mission=WX&product=URNT15


An aircraft just took off from Keesler at 2158Z and is heading south. Makes me wonder if this could be a staging flight for 94L. Then again, it could be something completely different.

I should make note that the last observation was from this flight (#302) was at 2210Z...


Staging seems reasonable. pojo might have a word on this.
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#248 Postby KWT » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:52 pm

Yep canegrl04, mind you this time it may be justified, firstly its going to be a big threat to the NE Caribbean and then who knows after that there is a real chance of a USA threat we have to wait and see, quite a bit depends on how this tracks and whether it hits the mountionous islands or not.

Recon will very likely be needed so staging it makes sense.
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#249 Postby brunota2003 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:53 pm

senorpepr wrote:http://www.tropicalatlantic.com/recon/archive/access.cgi?month=07&day=13&year=2008&storm=08071321302&who=AF&mission=WX&product=URNT15


An aircraft just took off from Keesler at 2158Z and is heading south. Makes me wonder if this could be a staging flight for 94L. Then again, it could be something completely different.

I should make note that the last observation was from this flight (#302) was at 2210Z...

That would put the plane, roughly (using the coordinates on the Gulf of Mexico sat image), over SE Louisiana or just off the coast.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of the Windward Islands

#250 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:54 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:The following post is NOT an official prognosis.

There is a broad surface trough in the vicinity with minimal shear at the mid to upper levels. The westerly wind vectors from the low levels to upper levels denote the existance of the surface trough. No LLC is present or evident, but increasing UVV (Upward Vertical Vorticity) and 850 mb low level vorticity will likely contribute to the gradual development of a closed low level circulation within the next 24-36 hours. A mid level circulation is present. Divergence (providing ascent for additional convection) and diffluence (broadening of surrounding wind fields) is excellent, and capping/SAL is negligible in the vicinity. The presence of the adjacent tropical wave axis is contributing to good low level convergence as well. SSTs and OHC (ocanic heat content) are sufficient for additional development, though the best OHC is further west closer to the eastern Caribbean islands and Lesser Antilles. Overall, I anticipate slow initial development, and a TD will likely be classified within the next 2-4 days. I do not expect classification today or tomorrow, which is the short term. I believe development of 94L is very likely.

With the very favorable environment in regards to synoptics and thermodynamics, the islands should closely monitor 94L. A strong low level ridge will likely result in a southerly track toward the SE Caribbean/Windward Islands if the system develops. Since the environment will be favorable for gradual development and deepening of the surface low, I suspect that 94L could become a tropical storm prior to reaching the islands, with the most significant intensification occurring closer to the Windwards (as opposed to further east near its current location). The islands and Caribbean should closely monitor 94L over the course of this week.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-vis.html

The following post is NOT an official prognosis.

Organization is continuing to increase, with the ascent provided by divergence resulting in additional development of thunderstorms. The boundary layer is clearly very unstable as well, and 850 mb low level vorticity remains abundant. Low level inflow is excellent on the southern side. It appears that the formation of a low level circulation may be gradually starting to occur near 11 N between 36-39 W. With minimal shear and ideal divergence/diffluence providing good "ventilation", a TD classification tomorrow is nearly certainly inevitable based on organization trends. Although the aforementioned location of the plausible LLC formation overnight is slightly further north, I personally believe it will exert minimal influence on the long term track of the budding TC. I'll explain my reasonings in the next paragraph.

As TS Bertha weakens and becomes more shallow, it will leave a weakness in the low level ridging over the next four to five days as it slowly moves NE and ENE from its current location. As I previously mentioned, the cutoff upper low to the east of Bertha at H5 (500 mb) will move SSE and amplify the H5 upper level ridging to the south and west. The key is 94L's intensity. It appears that 94L (as I suspected for a few days in my mind) will likely become deeper and more intense earlier than progged by the operational GFS, GFS ensembles, Euro, and other models in the short term. Additionally, based on the upcoming pattern and environment ahead of the system, a gradual and steady intensification trend is probable until 94L reaches the islands. I will not speculate on the intensity beyond that point. The trend implies that 94L (future Cristobal) will be more influenced by the mid to upper levels earlier in its life. 94L will likely become a TS over the next two to three days, and I believe it may approach the intensity of a strong TS as it arrives near the eastern Caribbean islands. The evidence strongly suggests that 94L will be deeper and influenced by the mid to upper levels. The weakness in the low levels will likely only result in a mild poleward movement of the LLC before it reaches the islands, followed by a WNW turn as the mid to upper level ridge develops over the Caribbean basin and eastern CONUS. Additionally, while it is initially weaker, it will move generally west because of the strong low level subtropical ridging to its north, which is producing easterly trades. When 94L reaches the eastern Caribbean, a faster movement toward the WNW is also probable, especially since the easterly trade speed max (strongest Caribbean trades) climatologically occur during July and August. We witnessed this factor with Dean and Felix in which case the strong easterly winds from the lower levels to upper levels resulted in a faster westward movement when they moved under the upper level ridge.

In summation, 94L poses a significant threat to the eastern Caribbean islands. If 94L is weaker throughout the short term and when it reaches the islands, a more NW track is probable toward the Leewards before the system turns to the WNW as it deepens. If 94L is stronger during this period as I expect, a more southerly and "subdued" track toward the northern Windwards, with a brief NW movement near the islands. This will be followed by the turn to the WNW. I believe the latter scenario is more probable, but even the fringes of the system can affect the Leewards and adjacent areas. All interests in the eastern Caribbean should closely monitor 94L, as it will likely approach strong TS intensity as it reaches the Lesser Antilles.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-vis.html

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-avn.html

This post is for the islanders.
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#251 Postby fci » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:55 pm

I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..

And Miami, THANK YOU for your insightful analysis limited to the possible impact on The Islands and not some guesses as to future track and impacts. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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#252 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:55 pm

He's just bursting with convection tonight. Looks to be getting better organized; a TD could form tomorrow if this continues.
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#253 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:58 pm

fci wrote:I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..



I agree it is at least 10+ days from any landfall in the United states. I would just relax in track the system.
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#254 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:00 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
fci wrote:I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..



I agree it is at least 10+ days from any landfall in the United states. I would just relax in track the system.


easy for you to say, you live in oregon... :lol:
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#255 Postby Brent » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:01 pm

fci wrote:I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..


Finally! A voice of reason.
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#256 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:01 pm

thats a pretty deep burst of convection over or near where the developing center should be.. over night is going to be interesting..

thats the type of convection that will only aid in the orginization of it..

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-avn.html
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#257 Postby fci » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:03 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
fci wrote:I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..



I agree it is at least 10+ days from any landfall in the United states. I would just relax in track the system.


easy for you to say, you live in oregon... :lol:



Just as easy for me to say and I live 20 miles north of you!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#258 Postby msbee » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:13 pm

cycloneye wrote:
wxman57 wrote:You guys know me, I'm not one to jump on development potential whenever I see a cumulus cloud in the tropics. But I do think that this system has a good chance of becoming Cristobal this week. It's more than 24 hours away from a depression, probably 48 hours or more, but it's slowly organizing. As I look at the environment in its path I see considerable weakness in the ridge to its north as it nears the Caribbean. This should allow it to gain significant latitude over the coming days. I'd discard the current BAM runs taking into South America. They don't look realistic at all.

I think that the northeast Caribbean islands would be at greatest risk by Friday. Thereafter, we'll have to see just how weak the ridge to the north is and how strong Cristobal becomes (I've already created a Cristobal folder for my 2009 hurricane talks and I'm saving all images of this system there) by the time it reaches 60W. With Bertha still hanging around near Bermuda in 4-5 days, this might allow 94L to track more WNW-NW after reaching the NE Caribbean. Question is, does high pressure build in to its north, blocking it and shoving it west or does it take a path similar to Bertha but more west? My initial thought is the latter. Similar path to Bertha but more west before the turn north. I certainly wouldn't rule out an east coast threat at this point, but with the Bermuda high now so weak west of 60W I'm thinking a Gulf threat is not very likely.


I am reposting the great analysis from one of our pro mets wxman57 for those who haved not read it as it was posted late this morning.mj,these are the kind of posts that you want to see.


These are the posts I need to see too, Luis.
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#259 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:14 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
fci wrote:I just hope everyone takes a deep breath on 94L.

"Folks", "threat", "media" all way premature for a system thousands of miles from the CONUS......

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Now, our friends in The Islands certainly have to be very watchful of 94L. No disagreement from me on that. But those in the CONUS should just relax for a while..



I agree it is at least 10+ days from any landfall in the United states. I would just relax in track the system.


easy for you to say, you live in oregon... :lol:


At least I have 10 times more chance of my house standing a hundred years from now. I live 200 feet above sea level with no threat of floods, tsunumi's. Unlike what many think volcano's are no threat to me, Hood could blow to its full level in would only blow ash on me if the winds where off shore, which are rare. Yes there is a chance for a earth quakes, but not house leveling, but maybe every 300-500 years on avg. I think I've made a good choice! Its all a choice in life.

I love watching hurricanes and weather because I'm interested in them. Just like you are, so for this reason I have a interest in hurricanes all over the world.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L East of Windward Islands

#260 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:15 pm

msbee wrote:These are the posts I need to see too, Luis.

...and here's one.

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=1735267#p1735267

By the way, why did the tone of this thread instantaneously turn hostile?
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