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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3941 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:14 am

cancun radar.. i will make radar animations for a while later today as the center gets closer .. its a pain to do but all you have to do is save each image and go to blibs.com and make a gif animation.

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#3942 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:14 am

Here is why the center moving to the north just a little bit is important.

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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3943 Postby vaffie » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:16 am

short periods of time over land can help young systems develop, however, for the friction with the land 'cleans' up broad poorly defined llcs, makes them sharper and more more likely to intensify after they get back over the water.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3944 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:18 am

vaffie wrote:short periods of time over land can help young systems develop, however, for the friction with the land 'cleans' up broad poorly defined llcs, makes them sharper and more more likely to intensify after they get back over the water.


I've never seen this demonstrated anywhere.
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#3945 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:18 am

Nice convection developing over center.

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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3946 Postby weatherguru18 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:19 am

Here's a look at the ridge and approaching troph. This may help turn Dolly more NW.

http://wxmaps.org/pix/avnmr.vort.html
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#3947 Postby KatDaddy » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:21 am

It can also blast them apart and form a new one in deeper convection. You never really know how land interaction will affect a system. Isidore was a prime example.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3948 Postby njweather » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:22 am

From the latest NHC discussion:

AS A RESULT...THE FORWARD MOTION OF DOLLY IS LIKELY
TO BECOME SLOWER WHEN IT IS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO


AND WHEN DOLLY REACHES
THE GULF OF MEXICO IT IS LIKELY TO FIND ITSELF BENEATH A LARGE
UPPER-LEVEL ANTICYCLONE...SO CONDITIONS APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR
STRENGTHENING OVER THE VERY WARM GULF WATERS.


Slower movement and favorable environmental conditions... not a good combo!
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#3949 Postby funster » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:24 am

If Dolly becomes a stronger hurricane is it more likely to follow any weakness to the North and into Texas or does strength make it more likely to head more to the west into Mexico?
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#3950 Postby chadtm80 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:25 am

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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3951 Postby jasons2k » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:26 am

weatherguru18 wrote:Here's a look at the ridge and approaching troph. This may help turn Dolly more NW.

http://wxmaps.org/pix/avnmr.vort.html


Yes, concerning. If Dolly rides the northern side of the models (as she has for days), and especially if she can intensify more than the models currently forecast, she may get tugged more by that trough and turn more to the N-NW. Right now I'd be more concerned with the right half of the cone, not the left.
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#3952 Postby Chacor » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:26 am

Chacor wrote:Reminder that the prediction/forecast challenge is still on. Thread for Dolly is up: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=102013


You can still enter at any time for the next day.
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#3953 Postby jasons2k » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:27 am

funster wrote:If Dolly becomes a stronger hurricane is it more likely to follow any weakness to the North and into Texas or does strength make it more likely to head more to the west into Mexico?


It would likely mean a shift the to the right.
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#3954 Postby KatDaddy » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:27 am

You got that right! We remember Rita and Katrina
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#3955 Postby funster » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:28 am

jasons wrote:
funster wrote:If Dolly becomes a stronger hurricane is it more likely to follow any weakness to the North and into Texas or does strength make it more likely to head more to the west into Mexico?


It would likely mean a shift the to the right.


Thanks and :eek: for Texas.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3956 Postby T-man » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:30 am

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Here ya go, for those of you who like gifs.
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Re: ATL: TS Dolly in Western Caribbean

#3957 Postby njweather » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:36 am

Is anyone else concerned by this?

WITH STEERING PROVIDED BY A
NARROW MID-LEVEL RIDGE ACROSS FLORIDA IN BETWEEN DOLLY AND
CRISTOBAL. THAT RIDGE IS FORECAST BY THE GLOBAL MODELS TO
GRADUALLY WEAKEN AS A MID-LATITUDE TROUGH DEEPENS OVER THE GREAT
LAKES REGION. AS A RESULT...THE FORWARD MOTION OF DOLLY IS LIKELY
TO BECOME SLOWER WHEN IT IS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO
.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MI ... 1608.shtml?


Would a slower system pull N or S?
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#3958 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:38 am

If it's a strong system at that point, it will pull north.
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#3959 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:40 am

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#3960 Postby Smurfwicked » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:43 am

HURAKAN wrote:If it's a strong system at that point, it will pull north.


Ok.. TS is moving NW, to the east of that is something pulling it slowing it down, if its capable of slowing it down due to it being pulled, wouldn't that mean the direction would be steered more North than West?
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