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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5361 Postby Wthrman13 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:41 pm

GreenSky wrote:SO CAN ANY OF THE PRO METS ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS...

1) Should Fay be downgraded to a depression right now?



Probably, but the recon hasn't finished its mission yet, so we'll see.


2) Is it safe to say Fay is officially dead if so, and chances of redeveloping and establishing a LLC are remote because of land interaction with mountainous terrain in Cuba?



No, it's not dead, officially or otherwise. It still has an LLC: it never dissipated. Whether it dissipates in the near future or not depends on its near-term track over Cuba. If it stays south of Cuba for a while before turning north, it will likely reintensify, not dissipate.

3) The Southeast Coast of Florida (exception Key West) is looking safer?



Not really, depends on the track across Cuba, which is uncertain right now. On the current NHC track, SE FL would still feel effects.

4) At most, Fay will only be a tropical storm?


Too early to say. I certainly wouldn't confidently assert that.

5) Fay will most likely hit the panhandle of Florida because of the continuous due west motion?


No, but a panhandle landfall is still possible. The bottom line is, there is still considerable spread in the forecast model tracks. You are asking for more precision than anyone can give right now.


I know there are a lot of questions, but if any of you pro mets could answer these I would be more than happy.
Most of my previous questions have been ignored...due to the high volume of posts.


No problem. It's difficult to keep up with all the posts.
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#5362 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:42 pm

Blown_Away, that is not the center. The 2pm Advisory (issued only 45-60 minutes ago) placed the center near 74.9W, 19.2N, which is on the extreme SE edge of your red circle. Even if that is the center though, then it appears to be moving due W, not NW as your image implies.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5363 Postby southerngale » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:44 pm

GreenSky wrote:SO CAN ANY OF THE PRO METS ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS...

1) Should Fay be downgraded to a depression right now?

2) Is it safe to say Fay is officially dead if so, and chances of redeveloping and establishing a LLC are remote because of land interaction with mountainous terrain in Cuba?

3) The Southeast Coast of Florida (exception Key West) is looking safer?

4) At most, Fay will only be a tropical storm?

5) Fay will most likely hit the panhandle of Florida because of the continuous due west motion?

I know there are a lot of questions, but if any of you pro mets could answer these I would be more than happy.
Most of my previous questions have been ignored...due to the high volume of posts.


I see you got a response, but in the future, if you specifically want a met to answer a question for you and they don't see it in this thread, try asking it in this thread in the Tropical Analysis forum.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5364 Postby wxman57 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:45 pm

AdamFirst wrote:
Blown_away wrote:http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8012/92lxl5.jpg

IMHO, maybe a little S of this track, I just don't see how this circulation survives.


Maybe because that's not the circulation.


That's definitely the vortex identified by the NHC that rotated westward out of the convection over the last few hours. But it now appears to be dissipating. There may be a broad, weak LLC between Haiti and Cuba. About as organized as it was 2 days ago but without that vigorous MLC>
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay Pet and Wildlife Reactions

#5365 Postby StJoe » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:45 pm

Well, let's see. Sassy, my German Shepard, has been pacing around the house since last night. Today, she is grumbling and barking for no reason. My cat, Tila, is jumping around all over the place, even on my countertop, which she never does. Of course I had to spray her with water for that. There are absolutely no birds flying around. There was a very wierd silence this morning as I was drinking my coffee at 6, no birds singing.

One very huge observation: the canal in my back yard has dropped about 8" since yesterday...maybe its a coincidence, but if they are having Charlie Crist on TV and the water is dropping in my canals...haven't seen any of this since Wilma. :roll:

I'll know more tomorrow if the sheriffs go out and paint the street names like they did in Frances, Jeanne, and Wilma.

Good luck to all!!!

J~ :roll:
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#5366 Postby Steve » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:46 pm

>>This better turn soon for Bastardi's East of, or right over, South Florida to Carolina's forecast to work out. He repeated it about 3 hours ago.

That's because he saw where I reiterated it here. :D Made sense early this week to see that track up through the Bahamas or SE FL toward SC. Despite the recurve of TD #11 and Vongfong, I think there's a shot that after the eventual northerly movement, there could be a stall or shunt back NW for a landfall (possibly 2nd). I don't know, Euro sees a push back from the east with some retrograde into SC GA which would eventually mean pretty good rainfall for those drought stricken areas of NC/SC.

This post isn't official and is most likely going to bust. Had you listened to official sources, you wouldn't be laughing so hard at my forecast taking its last breath as the bubbles rise up to the surface.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5367 Postby Blown Away » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:46 pm

[/quote]Maybe because that's not the circulation.[/quote]

The 2pm was 19.2N 74.9W, and if you watch the visible loop, zom in, turn on tropical forecast points, and lat/longs you can see the general motion.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5368 Postby MWatkins » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:48 pm

Finally a VDM...center is a bit further east near 19.0 74.5...

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ur ... .knhc..txt

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5369 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:49 pm

wxman57 wrote:
AdamFirst wrote:
Blown_away wrote:http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8012/92lxl5.jpg

IMHO, maybe a little S of this track, I just don't see how this circulation survives.


Maybe because that's not the circulation.


That's definitely the vortex identified by the NHC that rotated westward out of the convection over the last few hours. But it now appears to be dissipating. There may be a broad, weak LLC between Haiti and Cuba. About as organized as it was 2 days ago but without that vigorous MLC>


completly disagree with that .. no evidence of it dissiapting..

recon already found plenty of winds to support a closed center

it that is what you meant by that.. or were you just saying that was a vortex anf the center is still there.. ?


and well a VDM is in..

some undercast but otherswise a closed wind field
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5370 Postby Noles2006 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:49 pm

So... it's a little ESE of the 2 p.m. position...
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#5371 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:50 pm

552
URNT12 KNHC 161846
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL062008
A. 16/18:19:50Z
B. 19 deg 04 min N
074 deg 30 min W
C. 700 mb 3123 m
D. NA kt
E. 000 deg nm
F. 114 deg 038 kt
G. 039 deg 095 nm
H. 1008 mb
I. 8 C/ 3050 m
J. 9 C/ 3049 m
K. 9 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345/7
O. 0.02 / 8 nm
P. AF304 0906A FAY OB 05
MAX FL WIND 38 KT NE QUAD 17:48:00 Z
UNABLE TO FIX CNTR DUE TO UNDERCAST
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#5372 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:51 pm

VDM confirms that actual center is ESE of 2pm position.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5373 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:52 pm

Any met,what does this means in the VDM?

UNABLE TO FIX CNTR DUE TO UNDERCAST
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5374 Postby funster » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:52 pm

The new location may give it more time over warm water and a better shot a strengthening before crossing Cuba.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5375 Postby MWatkins » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:52 pm

Noles2006 wrote:So... it's a little ESE of the 2 p.m. position...


Yes very near that little burst. Also, since it was closer to the peninsula, the low level circulation was a bit more disrupted by the mountians there. Now that it is getting a little seperation from there, I would expect thunderstorm activity would resume near the center within the next few hours.

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5376 Postby ekal » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:53 pm

I think that VDM position may only be an estimate. They say they were unable to fix the center due to low-level cloud cover.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5377 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:53 pm

MWatkins wrote:
Noles2006 wrote:So... it's a little ESE of the 2 p.m. position...


Yes very near that little burst. Also, since it was closer to the peninsula, the low level circulation was a bit more disrupted by the mountians there. Now that it is getting a little seperation from there, I would expect thunderstorm activity would resume near the center within the next few hours.

MW


yep agreed ....
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#5378 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:53 pm

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5379 Postby wxman57 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:53 pm

Noles2006 wrote:So... it's a little ESE of the 2 p.m. position...


That vortex has dissipated.
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#5380 Postby storms in NC » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:53 pm

from the track from this morning and what is now I see just north of west. Other words it has gone a little north not much. But it does look like the troff is trying to pull it to the North now Just on what I see.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/carb/loop-wv.html
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