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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#61 Postby Rainband » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:54 pm

I said no storms allowed near florida and i meant it. I am on vacation next week. This won't come near florida. I did a hurricane Dance :D
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#62 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:59 pm

Rainband wrote:I said no storms allowed near florida and i meant it. I am on vacation next week. This won't come near florida. I did a hurricane Dance :D


go out and run your generator or put a few shutters up, starting the generator worked for me, kept ike way far away
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#63 Postby jlauderdal » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:02 pm

perk wrote:
jlauderdal wrote:
jinftl wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong....hasn't there been a general 'right bias' with some models for early runs with systems this year and last year as well...turning them north and out to sea initially, and then trending west over time?


well ike comes to mind




Ike is a good example,some pro-mets had it going to North Carolina initially.


yeah and the gfdl and hwrf had it going up towards the panhandle when nearly everything esle was well west of that which turned out to be the solution, i almost believe models 5 days out and especially when it isnt even a TD
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#64 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:54 pm

WHXX01 KWBC 210052
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0052 UTC SUN SEP 21 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL932008) 20080921 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080921 0000 080921 1200 080922 0000 080922 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 16.1N 66.3W 17.6N 67.4W 18.9N 68.3W 19.6N 69.2W
BAMD 16.1N 66.3W 17.1N 67.1W 17.9N 67.8W 18.3N 68.4W
BAMM 16.1N 66.3W 17.2N 67.3W 18.2N 68.1W 18.6N 69.0W
LBAR 16.1N 66.3W 17.5N 67.2W 18.6N 68.2W 19.1N 68.8W
SHIP 25KTS 29KTS 36KTS 43KTS
DSHP 25KTS 29KTS 36KTS 33KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080923 0000 080924 0000 080925 0000 080926 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 20.1N 70.2W 20.8N 72.1W 21.8N 73.7W 23.2N 74.5W
BAMD 18.4N 69.0W 18.7N 70.1W 20.4N 70.5W 22.6N 70.4W
BAMM 18.9N 69.7W 19.1N 71.1W 20.2N 71.8W 22.0N 71.9W
LBAR 19.1N 69.7W 18.5N 71.3W 18.9N 72.3W 20.6N 72.5W
SHIP 53KTS 69KTS 76KTS 77KTS
DSHP 30KTS 27KTS 30KTS 31KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 16.1N LONCUR = 66.3W DIRCUR = 335DEG SPDCUR = 7KT
LATM12 = 14.9N LONM12 = 65.7W DIRM12 = 327DEG SPDM12 = 7KT
LATM24 = 14.0N LONM24 = 64.8W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 50NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#65 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:43 pm

The 00:00 UTC Shear forecast from SHIP shows lack of strong to moderate shear along the period of five days.For those who dont know where to look for that,where you see SHEAR (KTS) almost at the top that is it.

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          *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      INVEST  AL932008  09/21/08  00 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    27    29    32    36    43    53    61    69    75    76    77    77
V (KT) LAND       25    27    29    32    36    33    30    28    27    27    30    31    31
V (KT) LGE mod    25    26    27    28    30    28    27    27    27    27    36    43    50

SHEAR (KTS)       12    11     9     5     9    13     6     6     9     6     9     5     8
SHEAR DIR        264   283   322   334   252   304   259   321   192   309   212   358   236
SST (C)         29.7  29.5  29.4  29.2  29.1  29.0  29.0  29.0  28.9  28.8  28.5  28.2  27.8
POT. INT. (KT)   163   159   157   153   151   149   149   149   147   145   141   137   131
ADJ. POT. INT.   154   150   147   142   139   135   133   133   130   129   126   121   115
200 MB T (C)   -53.8 -53.9 -54.1 -53.8 -53.7 -53.9 -53.5 -53.7 -53.5 -54.0 -53.5 -53.7 -53.6
TH_E DEV (C)      11    10    10    10    11    11    12    12    12    11    12    10    11
700-500 MB RH     69    67    66    64    62    61    56    59    56    56    56    58    54
GFS VTEX (KT)      0  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST
850 MB ENV VOR    38    26    20    23    14     6    33    38    39    24    24     8     3
200 MB DIV        38    42    20    19    15     6    22    -7    -4    -4     1     0   -17
LAND (KM)        206   138    88    62    38   -22   -24   -56   -77   -44    45   145   244
LAT (DEG N)     16.1  16.7  17.2  17.7  18.2  18.6  18.9  18.9  19.1  19.4  20.2  21.1  22.0
LONG(DEG W)     66.3  66.8  67.3  67.7  68.1  69.0  69.7  70.5  71.1  71.5  71.8  71.9  71.9
STM SPEED (KT)     7     7     7     6     6     4     3     3     3     3     5     4     4
HEAT CONTENT     102    94    92    92    85  9999  9999  9999  9999  9999    27    44     7

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):335/  7      CX,CY:  -2/  6
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  527  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  27.5 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  38.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   1.   5.  11.  17.  22.  27.  30.  32.  33.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         1.   2.   4.   5.   6.   8.   9.  10.  10.  10.  11.  11.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   1.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE       2.   4.   7.  11.  18.  27.  35.  42.  47.  51.  53.  55.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV        1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.   2.   3.   1.   0.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.   3.   3.   1.   0.  -2.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)      2.   4.   7.  11.  18.  28.  36.  44.  50.  51.  52.  52.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL932008     INVEST 09/21/08  00 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   0.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  1.1
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :   9.4 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.3
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  26.8 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.4
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 121.3 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.9/  1.0
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  75.4 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  0.2
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  29.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.0
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  25.6 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.4
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  93.0 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    22% is   1.8 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    13% is   1.6 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 4.5%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL932008     INVEST 09/21/08  00 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY   
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#66 Postby Aristotle » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:25 pm

Blown_away wrote:
cycloneye wrote:
WHXX01 KWBC 201902
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1902 UTC SAT SEP 20 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL932008) 20080920 1800 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080920 1800 080921 0600 080921 1800 080922 0600

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 15.6N 66.1W 16.7N 67.8W 18.2N 69.6W 18.9N 71.0W
BAMD 15.6N 66.1W 16.5N 67.2W 17.4N 68.2W 18.0N 69.1W
BAMM 15.6N 66.1W 16.4N 67.6W 17.5N 69.2W 18.1N 70.5W
LBAR 15.6N 66.1W 16.7N 67.2W 17.9N 68.3W 18.7N 69.3W
SHIP 25KTS 29KTS 33KTS 40KTS
DSHP 25KTS 29KTS 33KTS 40KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080922 1800 080923 1800 080924 1800 080925 1800

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 19.5N 72.7W 20.1N 75.9W 20.4N 78.0W 21.1N 79.0W
BAMD 18.2N 69.9W 18.2N 71.2W 18.8N 71.8W 19.8N 71.9W
BAMM 18.4N 71.8W 18.5N 74.3W 18.6N 75.7W 19.3N 76.4W
LBAR 18.9N 70.3W 18.5N 71.9W 18.6N 73.0W 20.0N 73.2W
SHIP 46KTS 55KTS 64KTS 68KTS
DSHP 34KTS 34KTS 47KTS 51KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 15.6N LONCUR = 66.1W DIRCUR = 320DEG SPDCUR = 7KT
LATM12 = 14.4N LONM12 = 65.3W DIRM12 = 316DEG SPDM12 = 6KT
LATM24 = 13.7N LONM24 = 64.1W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 50NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

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Notice none of those runs are recurving 93L, they all have a W component at the end of the run.


Right and as Gatorcane suggested above. A strong high builds in day 5 to day 7. So if this thing does not move as suggested by the gdfl and hwrf and stalls a bit. Then game on for all!
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#67 Postby HurricaneFreak » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:51 pm

Hmm I noticed the computer models at 11pm have slightly moved west more.So this could change more when this does intensify
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#68 Postby Meso » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:02 am

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#69 Postby Gustywind » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:26 am

cycloneye wrote:The 00:00 UTC Shear forecast from SHIP shows lack of strong to moderate shear along the period of five days.For those who dont know where to look for that,where you see SHEAR (KTS) almost at the top that is it.

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          *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      INVEST  AL932008  09/21/08  00 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    27    29    32    36    43    53    61    69    75    76    77    77
V (KT) LAND       25    27    29    32    36    33    30    28    27    27    30    31    31
V (KT) LGE mod    25    26    27    28    30    28    27    27    27    27    36    43    50

SHEAR (KTS)       12    11     9     5     9    13     6     6     9     6     9     5     8
SHEAR DIR        264   283   322   334   252   304   259   321   192   309   212   358   236
SST (C)         29.7  29.5  29.4  29.2  29.1  29.0  29.0  29.0  28.9  28.8  28.5  28.2  27.8
POT. INT. (KT)   163   159   157   153   151   149   149   149   147   145   141   137   131
ADJ. POT. INT.   154   150   147   142   139   135   133   133   130   129   126   121   115
200 MB T (C)   -53.8 -53.9 -54.1 -53.8 -53.7 -53.9 -53.5 -53.7 -53.5 -54.0 -53.5 -53.7 -53.6
TH_E DEV (C)      11    10    10    10    11    11    12    12    12    11    12    10    11
700-500 MB RH     69    67    66    64    62    61    56    59    56    56    56    58    54
GFS VTEX (KT)      0  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST
850 MB ENV VOR    38    26    20    23    14     6    33    38    39    24    24     8     3
200 MB DIV        38    42    20    19    15     6    22    -7    -4    -4     1     0   -17
LAND (KM)        206   138    88    62    38   -22   -24   -56   -77   -44    45   145   244
LAT (DEG N)     16.1  16.7  17.2  17.7  18.2  18.6  18.9  18.9  19.1  19.4  20.2  21.1  22.0
LONG(DEG W)     66.3  66.8  67.3  67.7  68.1  69.0  69.7  70.5  71.1  71.5  71.8  71.9  71.9
STM SPEED (KT)     7     7     7     6     6     4     3     3     3     3     5     4     4
HEAT CONTENT     102    94    92    92    85  9999  9999  9999  9999  9999    27    44     7

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):335/  7      CX,CY:  -2/  6
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  527  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  27.5 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  38.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   1.   5.  11.  17.  22.  27.  30.  32.  33.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         1.   2.   4.   5.   6.   8.   9.  10.  10.  10.  11.  11.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   1.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE       2.   4.   7.  11.  18.  27.  35.  42.  47.  51.  53.  55.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV        1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.   2.   3.   1.   0.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.   3.   3.   1.   0.  -2.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)      2.   4.   7.  11.  18.  28.  36.  44.  50.  51.  52.  52.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL932008     INVEST 09/21/08  00 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   0.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  1.1
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :   9.4 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.3
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  26.8 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.4
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 121.3 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.9/  1.0
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  75.4 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  0.2
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  29.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.0
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  25.6 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.4
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  93.0 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    22% is   1.8 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    13% is   1.6 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 4.5%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL932008     INVEST 09/21/08  00 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY   

Tkanks a lot Cycloneye :) :D , but could you provide a link please, ... :) ?
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#70 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:29 am

Gustywind,here is the link.

ftp://ftp.tpc.ncep.noaa.gov/atcf/stext/
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L: Models

#71 Postby Gustywind » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:35 am

cycloneye wrote:Gustywind,here is the link.

ftp://ftp.tpc.ncep.noaa.gov/atcf/stext/

Gracias mi amigo :) !
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#72 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:27 am

The 0Z GFDL, with 93L/future Kyle heading to fish land, and then curving back towards the Carolinas, would make Joe Bastardi's pre-season forecast verify better.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#73 Postby Grease Monkey » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:29 am

Isn't it way too early to be taking the models seriously at this stage in the game? It seems like once a wave is considered a organized system the track always greatly changes in new runs.
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#74 Postby captain east » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:39 am

Grease Monkey wrote:Isn't it way too early to be taking the models seriously at this stage in the game? It seems like once a wave is considered a organized system the track always greatly changes in new runs.

Grease monkey is right, if it keeps organizing I would think the tracks would turn more and more west...
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#75 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:48 am

Just south of Puerto Rico.

WHXX01 KWBC 211213
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1213 UTC SUN SEP 21 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL932008) 20080921 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080921 1200 080922 0000 080922 1200 080923 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 17.0N 66.5W 18.4N 67.5W 19.3N 68.4W 19.7N 69.2W
BAMD 17.0N 66.5W 18.0N 67.2W 18.5N 67.7W 18.8N 68.3W
BAMM 17.0N 66.5W 18.1N 67.3W 18.8N 68.1W 19.2N 68.6W
LBAR 17.0N 66.5W 18.0N 67.2W 18.8N 68.1W 19.2N 69.0W
SHIP 25KTS 30KTS 36KTS 45KTS
DSHP 25KTS 30KTS 36KTS 45KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080923 1200 080924 1200 080925 1200 080926 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 20.0N 70.2W 20.2N 71.3W 20.4N 70.9W 21.4N 69.6W
BAMD 19.0N 68.7W 20.0N 69.1W 22.1N 68.4W 24.6N 68.5W
BAMM 19.4N 69.2W 19.8N 69.5W 21.1N 68.2W 23.3N 67.4W
LBAR 19.4N 69.9W 19.8N 71.7W 20.7N 73.2W 21.5N 74.1W
SHIP 54KTS 70KTS 75KTS 77KTS
DSHP 54KTS 70KTS 75KTS 77KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 17.0N LONCUR = 66.5W DIRCUR = 345DEG SPDCUR = 5KT
LATM12 = 16.1N LONM12 = 66.3W DIRM12 = 344DEG SPDM12 = 5KT
LATM24 = 14.9N LONM24 = 65.7W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 35NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1008MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#76 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:01 am

captain east wrote:
Grease Monkey wrote:Isn't it way too early to be taking the models seriously at this stage in the game? It seems like once a wave is considered a organized system the track always greatly changes in new runs.

Grease monkey is right, if it keeps organizing I would think the tracks would turn more and more west...


so far they keep going east and more east, looks like the troughing will be strong this week, florida in the clear at least for now
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#77 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:05 am

jlauderdal :


So, avatar; Kyle from South Park, Kyle Busch, Kyle Petty, Kyle MacLahlan?



Inquiring minds...
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#78 Postby stayawaynow » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:36 am

Ed Mahmoud wrote:jlauderdal :


So, avatar; Kyle from South Park, Kyle Busch, Kyle Petty, Kyle MacLahlan?



Inquiring minds...


Agree...time for a change
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#79 Postby luvstorms » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:38 am

:uarrow: :uarrow:
I vote for the avatar being Kyle Bush or Kyle Petty-those two are always turning left and going fast! :lol: Of course we hope they run out of gas before hitting anywhere!
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Re: ATL INVEST 93L - Models

#80 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:39 am

Ed Mahmoud wrote:jlauderdal :


So, avatar; Kyle from South Park, Kyle Busch, Kyle Petty, Kyle MacLahlan?



Inquiring minds...


Ed M.

No kyle before its time. Kyle Rote Jr?

I think its between kyle busch and rote jr but its an election year and im all for democracy even though our financial sector has turned socialist so im open for suggestions


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