ATL Tropical Depression GUSTAV - Model Runs
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L WSW of Cape Verde Islands Model Runs
First Model Guidance Plots.SHIP makes it a hurricane.
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TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1251 UTC MON AUG 18 2008
DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.
ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR
DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL942008) 20080818 1200 UTC
...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080818 1200 080819 0000 080819 1200 080820 0000
LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 12.7N 34.4W 13.5N 36.0W 14.3N 38.4W 15.1N 41.5W
BAMD 12.7N 34.4W 13.1N 35.9W 13.7N 37.5W 14.6N 39.2W
BAMM 12.7N 34.4W 13.3N 35.9W 14.0N 37.8W 14.9N 39.9W
LBAR 12.7N 34.4W 12.9N 35.9W 13.2N 37.7W 13.7N 39.9W
SHIP 25KTS 34KTS 44KTS 52KTS
DSHP 25KTS 34KTS 44KTS 52KTS
...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080820 1200 080821 1200 080822 1200 080823 1200
LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 16.1N 45.3W 18.7N 53.1W 21.9N 61.0W 25.6N 67.1W
BAMD 15.7N 41.2W 18.3N 46.3W 21.1N 52.2W 22.6N 57.7W
BAMM 15.8N 42.4W 18.1N 48.1W 20.3N 54.5W 22.3N 60.7W
LBAR 13.9N 42.2W 14.7N 47.8W 16.9N 54.3W 18.9N 60.8W
SHIP 57KTS 64KTS 65KTS 67KTS
DSHP 57KTS 64KTS 65KTS 67KTS
...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 12.7N LONCUR = 34.4W DIRCUR = 270DEG SPDCUR = 8KT
LATM12 = 12.7N LONM12 = 32.7W DIRM12 = 270DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 12.6N LONM24 = 30.8W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 45NM WNDM12 = 20KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 175NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
$$
WHXX01 KWBC 181251
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1251 UTC MON AUG 18 2008
DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.
ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR
DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL942008) 20080818 1200 UTC
...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080818 1200 080819 0000 080819 1200 080820 0000
LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 12.7N 34.4W 13.5N 36.0W 14.3N 38.4W 15.1N 41.5W
BAMD 12.7N 34.4W 13.1N 35.9W 13.7N 37.5W 14.6N 39.2W
BAMM 12.7N 34.4W 13.3N 35.9W 14.0N 37.8W 14.9N 39.9W
LBAR 12.7N 34.4W 12.9N 35.9W 13.2N 37.7W 13.7N 39.9W
SHIP 25KTS 34KTS 44KTS 52KTS
DSHP 25KTS 34KTS 44KTS 52KTS
...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080820 1200 080821 1200 080822 1200 080823 1200
LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 16.1N 45.3W 18.7N 53.1W 21.9N 61.0W 25.6N 67.1W
BAMD 15.7N 41.2W 18.3N 46.3W 21.1N 52.2W 22.6N 57.7W
BAMM 15.8N 42.4W 18.1N 48.1W 20.3N 54.5W 22.3N 60.7W
LBAR 13.9N 42.2W 14.7N 47.8W 16.9N 54.3W 18.9N 60.8W
SHIP 57KTS 64KTS 65KTS 67KTS
DSHP 57KTS 64KTS 65KTS 67KTS
...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 12.7N LONCUR = 34.4W DIRCUR = 270DEG SPDCUR = 8KT
LATM12 = 12.7N LONM12 = 32.7W DIRM12 = 270DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 12.6N LONM24 = 30.8W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 45NM WNDM12 = 20KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 175NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
$$
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L WSW of Cape Verde Islands Model Runs
Could be a BIG ONE. HP is looking strong out in the Atlantic looking at the Globals
This could be a problem later on down the road. Better hope it goes fish.

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* ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED *
* INVEST AL942008 08/18/08 12 UTC *
TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
V (KT) NO LAND 25 30 34 39 44 52 57 62 64 65 65 65 67
V (KT) LAND 25 30 34 39 44 52 57 62 64 65 65 65 67
V (KT) LGE mod 25 27 30 32 35 41 47 52 54 56 58 60 64
SHEAR (KTS) 9 10 9 3 3 14 17 15 16 13 15 11 12
SHEAR DIR 72 66 78 189 146 204 246 215 243 218 262 281 313
SST (C) 28.2 28.1 28.0 27.9 27.8 27.3 26.8 26.9 27.2 27.3 27.9 28.4 28.5
POT. INT. (KT) 139 137 136 135 134 128 123 125 129 130 137 144 146
ADJ. POT. INT. 134 132 132 131 130 125 119 122 125 126 132 138 138
200 MB T (C) -53.7 -53.5 -53.8 -54.1 -53.8 -53.8 -54.1 -53.9 -53.9 -53.7 -53.7 -53.6 -53.7
TH_E DEV (C) 7 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 8 9 9 9 9
700-500 MB RH 66 62 65 63 62 59 56 52 49 48 48 47 53
GFS VTEX (KT) 0 LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST
850 MB ENV VOR 75 70 76 76 68 74 68 50 33 15 9 -11 -13
200 MB DIV 91 79 63 41 38 23 12 23 0 -9 -2 -16 44
LAND (KM) 1838 1846 1856 1871 1839 1732 1631 1566 1519 1420 1195 900 684
LAT (DEG N) 12.7 13.0 13.3 13.7 14.0 14.9 15.8 17.0 18.1 19.4 20.3 21.3 22.3
LONG(DEG W) 34.4 35.2 35.9 36.9 37.8 39.9 42.4 45.0 48.1 51.2 54.5 57.7 60.7
STM SPEED (KT) 8 8 9 10 10 12 13 15 16 16 16 15 15
HEAT CONTENT 14 12 10 11 11 12 13 19 25 34 43 47 36
FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):270/ 8 CX,CY: -7/ 0
T-12 MAX WIND: 20 PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB): 523 (MEAN=625)
GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD: 17.1 (MEAN=20.0)
% GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C 50-200 KM RAD: 74.0 (MEAN=68.6)
INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
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SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE 1. 2. 3. 4. 6. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 12. 13.
SST POTENTIAL 0. 0. 0. 1. 5. 9. 15. 19. 23. 27. 29. 32.
VERTICAL SHEAR 1. 2. 4. 5. 7. 6. 5. 3. 2. 1. 1. 1.
PERSISTENCE 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 2. 2. 2. 1. 0.
200/250 MB TEMP. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2.
THETA_E EXCESS 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -2. -2. -3. -4. -5. -5. -5.
700-500 MB RH 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1.
GFS VORTEX TENDENCY 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -2. -2.
850 MB ENV VORTICITY 0. 1. 1. 1. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 2. 2.
200 MB DIVERGENCE 0. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 0. 1.
ZONAL STORM MOTION 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1.
STEERING LEVEL PRES 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 3. 2. 2. 2.
DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
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SUB-TOTAL CHANGE 4. 8. 12. 17. 25. 31. 37. 40. 42. 42. 43. 44.
SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
MEAN ADJUSTMENT 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -2.
GOES IR STD DEV 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 2. 2. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1.
GOES IR PIXEL COUNT 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
OCEAN HEAT CONTENT 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
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TOTAL ADJUSTMENT 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 1. 0. -1. -3. -3. -3. -3.
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TOTAL CHANGE (KT) 5. 9. 14. 19. 27. 32. 37. 39. 40. 40. 40. 42.
** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL942008 INVEST 08/18/08 12 UTC **
( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): 5.0 Range:-45.0 to 30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.7/ 1.2
850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) : 6.8 Range: 35.1 to 3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.9/ 1.4
D200 (10**7s-1) : 62.4 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.5/ 0.7
POT = MPI-VMAX (KT) : 107.0 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.8/ 0.9
850-700 MB REL HUM (%): 69.4 Range: 56.0 to 88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.4/ 0.2
% area w/pixels <-30 C: 63.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.6/ 0.1
STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP : 12.9 Range: 35.1 to 3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.7/ 0.9
Heat content (KJ/cm2) : 11.6 Range: 0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.1/ 0.0
Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 44% is 3.6 times the sample mean(12.3%)
Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold= 31% is 4.0 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold= 19% is 4.2 times the sample mean( 4.5%)
## ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL942008 INVEST 08/18/08 12 UTC ##
## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3 ##
## AHI= 0 (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
## ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L WSW of Cape Verde Islands Model Runs
Yeah, Gatorcane, the GFS was forecasting this yesterday. Track N of the Antilles towards Bahamas - I didn't look at a 10 day run but this would have to be it.
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HURAKAN wrote:Code: Select all
* ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED *
* INVEST AL942008 08/18/08 12 UTC *
TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
V (KT) NO LAND 25 30 34 39 44 52 57 62 64 65 65 65 67
V (KT) LAND 25 30 34 39 44 52 57 62 64 65 65 65 67
V (KT) LGE mod 25 27 30 32 35 41 47 52 54 56 58 60 64
SHEAR (KTS) 9 10 9 3 3 14 17 15 16 13 15 11 12
SHEAR DIR 72 66 78 189 146 204 246 215 243 218 262 281 313
SST (C) 28.2 28.1 28.0 27.9 27.8 27.3 26.8 26.9 27.2 27.3 27.9 28.4 28.5
POT. INT. (KT) 139 137 136 135 134 128 123 125 129 130 137 144 146
ADJ. POT. INT. 134 132 132 131 130 125 119 122 125 126 132 138 138
200 MB T (C) -53.7 -53.5 -53.8 -54.1 -53.8 -53.8 -54.1 -53.9 -53.9 -53.7 -53.7 -53.6 -53.7
TH_E DEV (C) 7 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 8 9 9 9 9
700-500 MB RH 66 62 65 63 62 59 56 52 49 48 48 47 53
GFS VTEX (KT) 0 LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST
850 MB ENV VOR 75 70 76 76 68 74 68 50 33 15 9 -11 -13
200 MB DIV 91 79 63 41 38 23 12 23 0 -9 -2 -16 44
LAND (KM) 1838 1846 1856 1871 1839 1732 1631 1566 1519 1420 1195 900 684
LAT (DEG N) 12.7 13.0 13.3 13.7 14.0 14.9 15.8 17.0 18.1 19.4 20.3 21.3 22.3
LONG(DEG W) 34.4 35.2 35.9 36.9 37.8 39.9 42.4 45.0 48.1 51.2 54.5 57.7 60.7
STM SPEED (KT) 8 8 9 10 10 12 13 15 16 16 16 15 15
HEAT CONTENT 14 12 10 11 11 12 13 19 25 34 43 47 36
FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):270/ 8 CX,CY: -7/ 0
T-12 MAX WIND: 20 PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB): 523 (MEAN=625)
GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD: 17.1 (MEAN=20.0)
% GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C 50-200 KM RAD: 74.0 (MEAN=68.6)
INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
----------------------------------------------------------
SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE 1. 2. 3. 4. 6. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 12. 13.
SST POTENTIAL 0. 0. 0. 1. 5. 9. 15. 19. 23. 27. 29. 32.
VERTICAL SHEAR 1. 2. 4. 5. 7. 6. 5. 3. 2. 1. 1. 1.
PERSISTENCE 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 2. 2. 2. 1. 0.
200/250 MB TEMP. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2.
THETA_E EXCESS 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -2. -2. -3. -4. -5. -5. -5.
700-500 MB RH 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1.
GFS VORTEX TENDENCY 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -2. -2.
850 MB ENV VORTICITY 0. 1. 1. 1. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 2. 2.
200 MB DIVERGENCE 0. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 0. 1.
ZONAL STORM MOTION 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1.
STEERING LEVEL PRES 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 3. 2. 2. 2.
DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
----------------------------------------------------------
SUB-TOTAL CHANGE 4. 8. 12. 17. 25. 31. 37. 40. 42. 42. 43. 44.
SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
MEAN ADJUSTMENT 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -2.
GOES IR STD DEV 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 2. 2. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1.
GOES IR PIXEL COUNT 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0.
OCEAN HEAT CONTENT 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL ADJUSTMENT 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 1. 0. -1. -3. -3. -3. -3.
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL CHANGE (KT) 5. 9. 14. 19. 27. 32. 37. 39. 40. 40. 40. 42.
** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL942008 INVEST 08/18/08 12 UTC **
( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): 5.0 Range:-45.0 to 30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.7/ 1.2
850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) : 6.8 Range: 35.1 to 3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.9/ 1.4
D200 (10**7s-1) : 62.4 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.5/ 0.7
POT = MPI-VMAX (KT) : 107.0 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.8/ 0.9
850-700 MB REL HUM (%): 69.4 Range: 56.0 to 88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.4/ 0.2
% area w/pixels <-30 C: 63.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.6/ 0.1
STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP : 12.9 Range: 35.1 to 3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.7/ 0.9
Heat content (KJ/cm2) : 11.6 Range: 0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val: 0.1/ 0.0
Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 44% is 3.6 times the sample mean(12.3%)
Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold= 31% is 4.0 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold= 19% is 4.2 times the sample mean( 4.5%)
## ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL942008 INVEST 08/18/08 12 UTC ##
## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3 ##
## AHI= 0 (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
## ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY
Geez...look at the ri index! 44% chance of 25 kt ri. All 3 are about 4 times the sample mean. This could be a very strong storm by the time it threatens the leewards.
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Indeed Gatorcane infact I think this has got a very good chance of having a close shave with the US/Caribbean, the high pressure is pretty well spread out across the Atlantic right now and should keep any developed system only going WNW, of course an undeveloped system would be even more prone to head closer to due west.
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gatorcane wrote:I think we have a 2004 setup happening but not sure how long it will last this time. Big trough in August followed by some big Western Atlantic ridging for a couple of weeks. That is my guess but we'll see what happens.
It sure does, remember we had mid August Charley on the SW FL coast reacting to an early season trough, just like Fay. Now appears like the ridge will build in and may push any developed system W close to CONUS.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L WSW of Cape Verde Islands Model Runs
Here is the 12z GFS loop.Look at where it ends up making landfall,in Corpus Christi yes I typed that right,in Corpus Christi.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_264l.gif
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_264l.gif
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Hmmm. It's like the overall pattern shift will begin to engage itself within the next 72 hours. Looking at the 08/18 - 12Z GFS for example, how it wants to brick wall Fay off the NE coast of FL and push it SW back over FL into the gulf, shows how the high will begin expanding west. Then this 94L feature comes along. There do not appear to be any troughs on the way in. Fay is quickly thrusting up and out in 180 hours after being pulled inland around Pensacola, leaving no apparent weakness. 94L is shown to be moving right on through SFlorida and straight out into the Gulf as the high starts really building west, pushing it along. We'll keep watching the model runs to see how it evolves. Are there any models currently showing an entirely different scenario?
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