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#181 Postby Category 5 » Mon May 18, 2009 9:12 pm

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I agree with Wxman -- no surface low quite yet, just a mid-level spin that is getting sheared at the moment. My opinion is that it does not make it past invest status, neither does the GOM low. I actually don't think it should even be an invest yet.

What is going on over Florida is more of a winter-time trough setup than tropical. Freeze warnings for all of the Northeastern part of the CONUS -- 50s reported in parts of Mississippi and Alabama this morning..not quite hurricane season yet.

The system will likely be a rain event for the Bahamas and Florida but the wind threat from this system is quite low.


Well I agree with the NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER


Who, just like gatorcane, say theres a low chance of development. :wink:
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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#182 Postby tailgater » Mon May 18, 2009 9:15 pm

The latest 10m wind chart shows nothing yet. but getting a little closer all the time.
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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#183 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 18, 2009 9:15 pm

cycloneye wrote:Definitly,the GOM low is clearly the dominant one.

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funny thing though its nearly over florida well actually i have watching Miami radar and there are some hints that a low may reform east of there over night.. man things are changing fast..

radar showing some clear rotation beginning near SE florida.. just about where the UKMET has the formation happening.. that area is still sliding east south east ... going to be a interesting night.. not only that local obs support a this observation with wind turning NNE up the florida coast .. still early to tell but im going to watch this area ... some more ... lol
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#184 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 18, 2009 9:21 pm

so yeah is the chat room still up or what?
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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#185 Postby Sanibel » Mon May 18, 2009 9:24 pm

Low band type clouds in circulation. Heavy rain today. 4 inches in 24 hours.


May conditions should savage it.
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#186 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon May 18, 2009 9:25 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:so yeah is the chat room still up or what?


It's still there last I knew. Unless somebody blew it up tonight, I was in there last night.
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#187 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 18, 2009 9:26 pm

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Aric Dunn wrote:so yeah is the chat room still up or what?


It's still there last I knew. Unless somebody blew it up tonight, I was in there last night.

it wont load for me.. whats the MIRC room name..
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#188 Postby southerngale » Mon May 18, 2009 9:32 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
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Aric Dunn wrote:so yeah is the chat room still up or what?


It's still there last I knew. Unless somebody blew it up tonight, I was in there last night.

it wont load for me.. whats the MIRC room name..


It's the EsperNet server and then type: /join #Storm2k
If in mIRC and you can't find our room, click on File, then Select Server, and under "IRC Network:" find the EsperNet server and click on it.

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#189 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 18, 2009 9:33 pm

it just keeps disconnecting me ... not sure

i have MIRC whats the channel name for that?
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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#190 Postby NEXRAD » Mon May 18, 2009 9:35 pm

Monday PM Notes

If you showed me the radar imagery of the pre-frontal convective band sweeping (slowly) through Florida today, I'd have guessed I was looking at radar from January or February. The present system is definitely more like a classic continental front with deep Gulf low pressure center than anything tropical. With the trough continuing to deepen prior to its forming the well-advertised cut-off low aloft, the best divergence has shifted Eward and is now over and east of the Florida Peninsula. Meanwhile, the frontal boundary penetrated distinctly farther south than many previous official forecasts called for (kudos for KMFL for calling this one). Previous discussions from the HPC and many NWS offices called for the front stalling over Central Florida, but it has penetrated to at least the Naples to West Palm Beach/Jupiter area. This has shunted the principle convergence along the boundary farther south and east, too. As of 02Z, the boundary's convergence zone is situated along the Southeast Florida Coast northeast to near Nassau and then well offshore Cape Canaveral. Radar imagery clearly shows this zone as having continuous convective development with widespread moderate to heavy showers and embedded t'storms. With over-running moisture north of the boundary, there exists a broad area of more light precipitation, with scattered embedded moderate to heavy cells, offshore East Central and over Northeast Florida.

For cyclogenesis, HPC analyses continue to show a weak 1010mb low pressure situated in vicinity of the Lower Keys. This feature is weakly evident on Key West 88D and shortwave IR satellite imagery. Per Florida mesonet data, though, the lowest pressures seem a bit farther south from the HPC 00Z analyzed position. This farther south position better coincides with the RUC/2 analysis (which it should be noted was very successful in its handling of how far south the frontal boundary dropped). Based on surface obs, satellite, and radar imagery, the surface low is more likely a broad weakly circulated trough zone that has yet to completely close-off.

For the next 12-hours, look for the SE Gulf of Mexico low to become better defined. As this happens, the frontal boundary should surge back north-northwest as a weak warm front. This will shift the prime convergence zone westward with it setting up along the Florida East Coast south of Cape Canaveral overnight. RUC/2 analysis suggests convection should diminish considerably over the Srn 1/3rd of Florida overnight. Although I agree that the activity, which was likely partially diurnally driven, will weaken some, with deep moisture in place, strong divergence aloft, and a boundary to focus activity, I'd expect at least widespread light to moderate rainfall to persist well into the early morning hours for much of the Eastern Florida Peninsula. More limited convergence will restrict precipitation more across the Western Florida Peninsula overnight. However, activity moving onshore north of the boundary will progress gradually Wward across the Peninsula, mostly as light rain. Once the upper low closes off over the Ern Gulf of Mexico (which seems likely to happen by around the AM rush-hour, Tuesday), upper divergence should become even more impressive over Florida. This combined with the likely Nward retreating frontal boundary should allow for more widespread, heavy, precipitation to take root across much of Florida during the day Tuesday.

Farther southeast... For the true 90L disturbance, I see little potential for this system to develop tropically. More likely its moisture will be streamed NW as the upper level cut-off low takes shape.

This information is not an official product; always consult the Tropical Prediction Center and your local National Weather Service for the latest official guidance and forecasts for your local area.

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#191 Postby Bailey1777 » Mon May 18, 2009 9:39 pm

So Aric whats the latest in your eyes. It just looks like alot of slop to me tonight. Is it possible that this slop is moving so fast that it shoots eastward never to see the GOM?
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#192 Postby HURAKAN » Mon May 18, 2009 9:39 pm

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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#193 Postby cpdaman » Mon May 18, 2009 9:43 pm

well got about 1.5 inches of rain since 8pm or so.....In Boca by the beach

back edge of precip is sliding SE pretty quickly .......let's see if it moves back NW by tommorrow afternoon's t'storms to soak the state
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#194 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 18, 2009 9:47 pm

Bailey1777 wrote:So Aric whats the latest in your eyes. It just looks like alot of slop to me tonight. Is it possible that this slop is moving so fast that it shoots eastward never to see the GOM?


no its going to hang around, its very tricky with a lot going on but no real solid area the gulf low is in florida straights but I believe that it maybe migrating toward that convection pulling off miami pr reform there.. will have see that happens. there are way to many uncertainties right now. as for tropical development its not looking good, sub tropical is still very possible. things are changing pretty fast tonight and everything is bouncing around just have to watch for the 12 hours or so by then we should be seeing a dominant area taking shape as the long wave trough is nearly gone and the upper inthe gulf is starting to cut off ... just a little more waiting..:)
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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#195 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Mon May 18, 2009 9:48 pm

NEXRAD wrote:Monday PM Notes

If you showed me the radar imagery of the pre-frontal convective band sweeping (slowly) through Florida today, I'd have guessed I was looking at radar from January or February. The present system is definitely more like a classic continental front with deep Gulf low pressure center than anything tropical. With the trough continuing to deepen prior to its forming the well-advertised cut-off low aloft, the best divergence has shifted Eward and is now over and east of the Florida Peninsula. Meanwhile, the frontal boundary penetrated distinctly farther south than many previous official forecasts called for (kudos for KMFL for calling this one). Previous discussions from the HPC and many NWS offices called for the front stalling over Central Florida, but it has penetrated to at least the Naples to West Palm Beach/Jupiter area. This has shunted the principle convergence along the boundary farther south and east, too. As of 02Z, the boundary's convergence zone is situated along the Southeast Florida Coast northeast to near Nassau and then well offshore Cape Canaveral. Radar imagery clearly shows this zone as having continuous convective development with widespread moderate to heavy showers and embedded t'storms. With over-running moisture north of the boundary, there exists a broad area of more light precipitation, with scattered embedded moderate to heavy cells, offshore East Central and over Northeast Florida.

For cyclogenesis, HPC analyses continue to show a weak 1010mb low pressure situated in vicinity of the Lower Keys. This feature is weakly evident on Key West 88D and shortwave IR satellite imagery. Per Florida mesonet data, though, the lowest pressures seem a bit farther south from the HPC 00Z analyzed position. This farther south position better coincides with the RUC/2 analysis (which it should be noted was very successful in its handling of how far south the frontal boundary dropped). Based on surface obs, satellite, and radar imagery, the surface low is more likely a broad weakly circulated trough zone that has yet to completely close-off.

For the next 12-hours, look for the SE Gulf of Mexico low to become better defined. As this happens, the frontal boundary should surge back north-northwest as a weak warm front. This will shift the prime convergence zone westward with it setting up along the Florida East Coast south of Cape Canaveral overnight. RUC/2 analysis suggests convection should diminish considerably over the Srn 1/3rd of Florida overnight. Although I agree that the activity, which was likely partially diurnally driven, will weaken some, with deep moisture in place, strong divergence aloft, and a boundary to focus activity, I'd expect at least widespread light to moderate rainfall to persist well into the early morning hours for much of the Eastern Florida Peninsula. More limited convergence will restrict precipitation more across the Western Florida Peninsula overnight. However, activity moving onshore north of the boundary will progress gradually Wward across the Peninsula, mostly as light rain. Once the upper low closes off over the Ern Gulf of Mexico (which seems likely to happen by around the AM rush-hour, Tuesday), upper divergence should become even more impressive over Florida. This combined with the likely Nward retreating frontal boundary should allow for more widespread, heavy, precipitation to take root across much of Florida during the day Tuesday.

Farther southeast... For the true 90L disturbance, I see little potential for this system to develop tropically. More likely its moisture will be streamed NW as the upper level cut-off low takes shape.

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That is a really nice analysis...interesting.
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#196 Postby floridasun78 » Mon May 18, 2009 9:49 pm

we got hammer with alot rain here in miami area and lighting do you think 90l going to be rain maker as forecast it look weaker and forecast
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#197 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon May 18, 2009 9:51 pm

Looks like the upper divergence is better for 90L, not the GOM system
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Re: Invest 90L Models

#198 Postby cycloneye » Mon May 18, 2009 9:53 pm

The 00z NAM has not changed a lot from past runs with the low at 84 hours in the Central GOM.

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#199 Postby NEXRAD » Mon May 18, 2009 9:53 pm

floridasun78 wrote:we got hammer with alot rain here in miami area and lighting do you think 90l going to be rain maker as forecast it look weaker and forecast


The frontal boundary and non-tropical features in the Southeast Gulf are more contributing to the rainfall rather than the 90L disturbance. Miami (and the rest of Southeast Florida's metro areas) are under strong convergence right now along the pre-frontal boundary zone. This will fuel moderate to heavy showers and t'storms for the next hour or two. If the drying presently seen on Florida radars progressing through Southwest Florida ceases, then Southeast Florida could be socked-in with rain overnight. The radar trends through the next hour should tell whether or not this will take shape.

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Re: INVEST 90L in the Bahamas

#200 Postby cpdaman » Mon May 18, 2009 9:57 pm

heard lyons say that the 90L will ride north in the central bahamas work its way down to the surface ( i guess he doesn't think its there yet) and possibly becoming classified as subtropical tue/wed and be the dominant feature (around 930 i believe)
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