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#321 Postby Infdidoll » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:16 pm

oaba09 wrote:A lot of us were already relaxed thinking that we're already spared by Nida....I'm really surprised w/ JMA'S track...totally unexpected...


I saw that late last night before I went to bed and was dying to see what people here thought about that. JTWC is refuting JMA's predictions strongly...It's always funny to see theory wars in the prognostic reasonings. Only not exactly funny if the JMA would end up being right. In this case, I'm not exactly sure of the argument...Sounds like JTWC is saying if the typhoon remains intense, it will move NE, but if it weakened, it could (though very unlikelly) move Westward. I would think it would weaken as a direct result of moving Westward...not switch direction because it lost strength...then again, what do I know? :wink:

I'm just as curious as you as to why the forecast tracks are so radically different. Just when you think you can go back to sleep...
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#322 Postby oaba09 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:22 pm

Infdidoll wrote:
oaba09 wrote:A lot of us were already relaxed thinking that we're already spared by Nida....I'm really surprised w/ JMA'S track...totally unexpected...


I saw that late last night before I went to bed and was dying to see what people here thought about that. JTWC is refuting JMA's predictions strongly...It's always funny to see theory wars in the prognostic reasonings. Only not exactly funny if the JMA would end up being right. In this case, I'm not exactly sure of the argument...Sounds like JTWC is saying if the typhoon remains intense, it will move NE, but if it weakened, it could (though very unlikelly) move Westward. I would think it would weaken as a direct result of moving Westward...not switch direction because it lost strength...then again, what do I know? :wink:

I'm just as curious as you as to why the forecast tracks are so radically different. Just when you think you can go back to sleep...


Yeah...It's still a powerful system as evidenced by it's still visible eye.......I did see a slight movement to the west based on the latest sat loops....I usually trust 3 agencies when it comes to tracks(JMA, JTWC, and ECMWF)....I honestly don't know what to expect in the next couple of days...
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#323 Postby Macrocane » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:22 pm

Very interesting system. It re-strengthened after the EWRC, I think that's not very common.
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#324 Postby oaba09 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:26 pm

WTPN31 PGTW 272100
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 26W (NIDA) WARNING NR 024
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
271800Z --- NEAR 18.7N 139.0E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 360 DEGREES AT 04 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 025 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 150 KT, GUSTS 180 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 100 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 18.7N 139.0E
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FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
280600Z --- 19.5N 139.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 140 KT, GUSTS 170 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
085 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 025 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
281800Z --- 20.3N 139.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 125 KT, GUSTS 150 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 085 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 045 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
290600Z --- 21.3N 140.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
145 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
145 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 050 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
291800Z --- 22.3N 141.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 140 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 050 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
301800Z --- 24.9N 145.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 060 DEG/ 19 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
011800Z --- 28.4N 152.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
EXTRATROPICAL
---
REMARKS:
272100Z POSITION NEAR 18.9N 139.0E.
SUPER TYPHOON (STY) 26W (NIDA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 380 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHWEST OF IWO TO, HAS TRACKED NORTHWARD AT 04 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE
SYSTEM HAS INTENSIFIED OVER THE PAST 06 HOURS WITH A 25 NM EYE AND
IMPROVED EYEWALL CONVECTION. A 271700Z AMSU IMAGE CONTINUES TO
INDICATE THAT STY 26W IS GOING THROUGH AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE.
SATELLITE IMAGERY ALSO INDICATES WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT THE
SYSTEM HAS SLOWED FORWARD MOTION TO 04 KNOTS WITH TROCHOIDAL MOTION;
STY 26W IS STILL TRACKING GENERALLY NORTHWARD. THE CURRENT INTENSITY
IS BASED ON THE HIGHER END OF DVORAK ESTIMATES OF 140 (RJTD) TO 155
KNOTS (PGTW). CURRENT ANALYSIS OF 700/500MB DATA SUPPORTS A SLOW
NORTHWARD TO NORTHEASTWARD TRACK ALONG THE MID-LEVEL SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE (STR), WHICH IS CURRENTLY ORIENTED TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST
WITH ZONAL MIDLATITUDE WESTERLY FLOW NORTH OF 25N. BASED ON THIS
ANALYSIS AND THE CURRENT SLOW MOTION, THE TRACK SPEEDS HAVE BEEN
DECREASED THROUGH TAU 36. THE SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO ACCELERATE
NORTHEASTWARD AFTER TAU 36 AND TO BEGIN EXTRA-TROPICAL TRANSITION
(ETT) NEAR TAU 72. TRACK SPEEDS HAVE BEEN REDUCED AT TAU 72/96 TO
REFLECT DE-COUPLING DUE TO VERY STRONG VERTICAL WIND SHEAR IN
EXCESS OF 60 KNOTS. MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN POOR AGREEMENT WITH
JGSM, ECMWF, UKMO AND GFS INDICATING RAPID WEAKENING AND A SUBSEQUENT
TRACK WESTWARD TO SOUTHWESTWARD WITH THE LOW-LEVEL NORTHEASTERLIES
WHILE NOGAPS AND GFDN SUPPORT A RAPID ACCELERATION NORTHEASTWARD.
THE CURRENT FORECAST FAVORS THE RE-CURVE SCENARIO ALTHOUGH THERE
ARE INDICATORS IN THE MAJORITY OF MODELS THAT THE SYSTEM MAY
WEAKEN RAPIDLY IN THE NEXT 72 HOURS DUE PRIMARILY TO A STRONG
LOW-LEVEL RIDGE BUILDING EASTWARD COMBINED WITH STRONG UPPER-LEVEL
WESTERLY FLOW, WHICH MAY PREVENT THE SYSTEM FROM COMPLETING
ITS ETT AND LEAD TO A DISSIPATION SCENARIO. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT
WAVE HEIGHT AT 271800Z IS 34 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 280300Z,
280900Z, 281500Z AND 282100Z.//
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Most of the models are now favoring a western track however, JTWC's track still has it moving NE...
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#325 Postby Crostorm » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:27 pm

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#326 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:28 pm

Might be a bit weaker with the 2nd ERC. I would guess about 135 kt right now, with its second peak being 145 kt at 27/1800. My pressure guess is 912mb.
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#327 Postby cycloneye » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:35 pm

JTWC 00:00 UTC Warning - 150 KTS

WTPN31 PGTW 280300
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 26W (NIDA) WARNING NR 025
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
280000Z --- NEAR 19.0N 139.1E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 015 DEGREES AT 03 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 025 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 150 KT, GUSTS 180 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 100 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 19.0N 139.1E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
281200Z --- 19.7N 139.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 140 KT, GUSTS 170 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
085 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 040 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
290000Z --- 20.3N 139.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 125 KT, GUSTS 150 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 085 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 040 DEG/ 05 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
291200Z --- 21.1N 140.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
145 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
145 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 040 DEG/ 06 KTS
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EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
300000Z --- 22.0N 141.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 135 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 050 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
010000Z --- 23.7N 143.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 050 KT, GUSTS 065 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 065 DEG/ 14 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
020000Z --- 25.9N 149.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 030 KT, GUSTS 040 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
EXTRATROPICAL
---
REMARKS:
280300Z POSITION NEAR 19.2N 139.1E.
SUPER TYPHOON (STY) 26W (NIDA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 365 NM SOUTH-
SOUTHWEST OF IWO TO, HAS TRACKED NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD AT 03 KNOTS
OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY HAS CHANGED
SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS WITH A LARGE DECREASE IN TRACK
SPEEDS THROUGHOUT THE FORECAST (SEE WDPN31 PGTW 280300) FOR
MORE DETAILS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 280000Z IS 34 FEET.
NEXT WARNINGS AT 280900Z, 281500Z, 282100Z AND 290300Z.//
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#328 Postby StormingB81 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:38 pm

Guess Japan, Tawain and PI need to start watching this storm again. This thing can't make up its mind
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#329 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:47 pm

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JMA and JTWC are world's apart!! LOL
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#330 Postby cycloneye » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:00 pm

Prognostic Reasoning of 00:00 UTC Warning by JTWC

WDPN31 PGTW 280300
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR SUPER TYPHOON 26W (NIDA) WARNING NR
25//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 12 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
A. SUPER TYPHOON (STY) 26W (NIDA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 365 NM
SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF IWO TO, HAS TRACKED NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD AT 03
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE
IMAGERY DEPICTS A 23-NM EYE. A 272154Z SSMI/S IMAGE CONTINUES TO
SUPPORT AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE WITH CONCENTRIC EYEWALLS; THE
OUTER EYEWALL HAS CONSOLIDATED AND CONTRACTED SLIGHTLY OVER THE PAST
12 HOURS. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY INDICATES EXCELLENT RADIAL
OUTFLOW WITH IMPROVED POLEWARD OUTFLOW OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS,
ENHANCED BY MIDLATITUDE WESTERLIES. STY 26W HAS GENERALLY TRACKED
NORTHWARD AND SLOWED TO 03 KNOTS WITH INCREASINGLY ERRATIC,
TROCHOIDAL MOTION. THE CURRENT INTENSITY IS BASED ON THE HIGHER END
OF DVORAK ESTIMATES RANGING FROM 127 (RJTD, KNES) TO 155 KNOTS
(PGTW). THE LATEST 500MB ANALYSIS DEPICTS A POLEWARD-ORIENTED,
MID-LEVEL SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) POSITIONED EAST OF THE SYSTEM WITH
MIDLATITUDE WESTERLIES NORTH OF 25N; STY 26W IS LOCATED WITHIN A
REALTIVELY WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT BETWEEN THE EASTERN, DOMINANT
STR AND THE WESTERN STR, WHICH EXTENDS FROM HAINAN EASTWARD TO ABOUT
130E.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH A LARGE
DECREASE IN TRACK SPEEDS THROUGHOUT THE FORECAST. REASONING WILL BE
DISCUSSED BELOW.
B. THE STY 26W IS TRACKING STEADILY AND ERRATICALLY NORTHWARD
ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE MID-LEVEL STR WITHIN A WEAK
STEERING ENVIRONMENT. OVERALL, MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN VERY POOR
AGREEMENT WITH A TREND TOWARD DISAGREEMENT. THE ECMWF HAS SHIFTED TO
A SLOW WESTWARD TRACK; THE GFS SHOWS A SHORT-TERM NORTHWARD MOVEMENT
THEN SHARP TURN SOUTHWESTWARD; UKMO AND TC-LAPS SHOW A SLOW
NORTHWARD TRACK; THE JGSM INDICATES A VERY SLOW WESTWARD DRIFT; AND
WBAR, GFDN AND NOGAPS ALL SHOW A RE-CURVE WITH WIDELY VARYING TRACK
SPEEDS. IN ADDITION TO THESE TRACK DIFFERENCES, THE MODELS ALSO SHOW
FORECAST INTENSITY DIFFERENCES. THE ECMWF AND GFS INDICATE 120 PLUS
INTENSITIES THROUGH TAU 120, POSSIBLY INDICATING A TRACK WESTWARD
UNDER A STRENGTHENING WESTERN STR VICE RAPID WEAKENING WITHIN THE
STRONG LOW-LEVEL NORTHEASTERLY FLOW. NOGAPS IS PARTICULARLY
PROBLEMATIC WITH 160 PLUS KNOT INTENSITY THROUGH TAU 120 AS THE
SYSTEM TRACKS UNDER 100 PLUS KNOTS OF VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (VWS) AND
DIRECTLY UNDER THE JET; ADDITIONALLY, THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION
CENTER REMAINS VERTICALLY STACKED WHILE COMPLETING EXTRA-TROPICAL
TRANSITION (ETT). THEREFORE, THE NOGAPS EXCESSIVE TRACK SPEEDS AND
DEPICTION OF THE ETT APPEAR ERRONEOUS. GFDN, HOWEVER, DEPICTS A MORE
TYPICAL WEAKENING TREND AND SLOWER TRACK SPEEDS. THIS FORECAST
CONTINUES TO FAVOR THE RE-CURVATURE SCENARIO BASED ON THE ANALYSIS
OF THE EASTERN STR ALBEIT WITH SLOW TRACK SPEEDS THROUGH TAU 48 AND
SLIGHT ACCELERATION THROUGH TAU 72 DUE TO THE WEAK STEERING
ENVIRONMENT. STY 26W IS FORECAST TO MAINTAIN STY STRENGTH THROUGH
THE NEXT 12-24 HOURS, THEN WEAKEN QUICKLY DUE TO STRONG VWS AND
LOWER OCEAN HEAT CONTENT/SST.
C. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, THERE IS GREATER UNCERTAINTY WITH POOR
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE AVAILABLE MODEL TRACKERS. THERE IS A
POSSIBILITY THAT THE SYSTEM MAY WEAKEN AND DISSIPATE PRIOR TO
COMPLETING ETT AND EITHER SLOW IN FORWARD MOTION OR TRACK UNDER THE
STRONG LOW-LEVEL NORTHEASTERLY FLOW BACK TO THE SOUTHWEST. THIS
ALTERNATE SCENARIO IS BASED ON THE LOW-LEVEL STR BUILDING EASTWARD,
NORTH OF THE SYSTEM, AS IDENTIFIED IN SEVERAL MODELS, AND THE SYSTEM
TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE BAROCLINIC ZONE WHILE
WEAKENING RAPIDLY.//
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#331 Postby ManilaTC » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:07 pm

Loops show that its stationary below 20N, looks like its making a move to the West... oh no...
If it does go west, it will go to high SST region again and we better watch this storm
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#332 Postby ManilaTC » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:07 pm

I havent seen any of the 00z runs yet, do you guys have any?
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#333 Postby cycloneye » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:12 pm

It looks like Nida will surpass Melors 39.19 as the most ACE number at the WPAC in 2009.See the ACE data in the thread at Talking Tropics forum.
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#334 Postby bahamaswx » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:31 pm

Based on current motion (or perhaps non-motion), it looks like JMA's forecast may verify.
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#335 Postby oaba09 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:53 pm

Things are getting interesting...very interesting...
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#336 Postby ManilaTC » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:20 pm

Oh yes indeed.

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#337 Postby Infdidoll » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:30 pm

HURAKAN wrote:Image

JMA and JTWC are world's apart!! LOL


It's kind of hysterical...Now I've seen them differ before...but never at almost 180°! :D

I'm watching the satellite loops more than the football game that's on, right now.
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#338 Postby JTE50 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:31 pm

It's been raining all morning here on Guam. It's interesting in that we had a partly sunny day on Thansgiving but the past two days have been rainy now that we are in an inflow band. Everybody here is asking me if Nida is coming back to Guam - they seel all the rain and are getting worried. The typical rain showers that pass through only last 5-10 min. Anything beyond that and the locals know something is not right.
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Re: WPAC : TYPHOON NIDA (26W)

#339 Postby Infdidoll » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:42 pm

JTE50 wrote:It's been raining all morning here on Guam. It's interesting in that we had a partly sunny day on Thansgiving but the past two days have been rainy now that we are in an inflow band. Everybody here is asking me if Nida is coming back to Guam - they seel all the rain and are getting worried. The typical rain showers that pass through only last 5-10 min. Anything beyond that and the locals know something is not right.


I was wondering what the folks in Guam were experiencing...Radar shows what look like really heavy storms and rain associated with the back edge of the storm. I hope it doesn't turn and head back that way - not at the intensity it's at, right now. That would truly be devastating. Are the winds really bad there as well?
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#340 Postby oaba09 » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:48 pm

Infdidoll wrote:
HURAKAN wrote:Image

JMA and JTWC are world's apart!! LOL


It's kind of hysterical...Now I've seen them differ before...but never at almost 180°! :D

I'm watching the satellite loops more than the football game that's on, right now.


LOL...Same here.......I'm guessing that I'm gonna track this thing hour by hour....
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