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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#121 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:08 pm

Stormcenter wrote:Come on now this northern GOM landfall is as likely as the Buffalo Bills winning the
Super Bowl this season. The models (as always) are yanking your chains here. IMO



I firmly disagree. On all fronts, including dismissing the models.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#122 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:09 pm

18z HWRF takes almost the same track as Charley did. A cat 2.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/hwrftc2. ... =Animation
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#123 Postby SouthDadeFish » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:12 pm

HWRF drops the pressure to 998mb in six hours. Lol. It tends to do that a lot though. Seems quite similar to the 12Z GFDL, just faster.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#124 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:13 pm

Weatherfreak000 wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:Come on now this northern GOM landfall is as likely as the Buffalo Bills winning the
Super Bowl this season
. The models (as always) are yanking your chains here. IMO

I firmly disagree. On all fronts, including dismissing the models.


Hey now, the Buffalo Bills have repeatedly proven they can make it to the Super Bowl. Just look at:
Conference championships (4)
* AFC: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993

Granted, they did lose four years in a row. But, come on... why you bustin their *explative*.

Can't we at least agree to compare the chances to a team like Cleveland? :wink:
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#125 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:16 pm

:uarrow: We have a forum for sports related themes. Lets return to discuss about the models.

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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#126 Postby Vortex » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:22 pm

HWRF continues to trend towards FL the last few runs...
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#127 Postby Rainband » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:23 pm

that's north of Charely. looks like Charley forecasted track.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#128 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:33 pm

00z Tropical Models are initialized as Disturbance Invest,not a renumber.Will that change later?

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WHXX01 KWBC 210024
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0024 UTC THU OCT 21 2010
 
DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.
 
ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR
 
DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL992010) 20101021 0000 UTC
 
        ...00 HRS...   ...12 HRS...   ...24 HRS. ..   ...36 HRS...
        101021  0000   101021  1200   101022  0000   101022  1200
 
         LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON
BAMS    17.6N  81.2W   17.5N  81.1W   17.0N  81.5W   16.5N  82.4W
BAMD    17.6N  81.2W   18.1N  80.5W   18.6N  80.3W   19.4N  80.6W
BAMM    17.6N  81.2W   17.5N  81.1W   17.4N  81.6W   17.2N  82.4W
LBAR    17.6N  81.2W   18.1N  80.8W   19.4N  80.6W   21.2N  80.4W
SHIP        30KTS          33KTS          37KTS          43KTS
DSHP        30KTS          33KTS          37KTS          43KTS
 
        ...48 HRS...   ...72 HRS...   ...96 HRS. ..   ..120 HRS...
        101023  0000   101024  0000   101025  0000   101026  0000
 
         LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON
BAMS    16.2N  83.5W   15.7N  87.3W   16.7N  91.1W   19.2N  93.0W
BAMD    20.2N  81.1W   21.0N  83.0W   22.3N  85.3W   27.3N  82.2W
BAMM    17.0N  83.7W   16.6N  87.7W   16.8N  91.9W   17.1N  94.1W
LBAR    23.6N  79.9W   27.7N  78.5W   30.3N  73.9W   30.5N  65.5W
SHIP        51KTS          61KTS          70KTS          68KTS
DSHP        51KTS          61KTS          31KTS          27KTS
 
         ...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR =  17.6N LONCUR =  81.2W DIRCUR =  90DEG SPDCUR =   2KT
LATM12 =  17.7N LONM12 =  82.5W DIRM12 =  99DEG SPDM12 =   6KT
LATM24 =  17.7N LONM24 =  83.2W
WNDCUR =   30KT RMAXWD =   70NM WNDM12 =   30KT
CENPRS = 1006MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD =  220NM SDEPTH =   M
RD34NE =    0NM RD34SE =    0NM RD34SW =    0NM RD34NW =   0NM
 
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#129 Postby Ivanhater » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:34 pm

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This is not going to plow into the ridge into Florida anytime in the next 6 to 7 days like the HWRF is trying to do. The GFS and Euro are in agreement that a ridge will be firmly in place over Florida for a week. Any threat to South Florida would have to come after day 7 and that is if this is still around in the Caribbean in a week.

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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#130 Postby caneseddy » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:38 pm

12z GFDL has shifted south..now has 99L impacting the Yucatan Peninsula south of Cozumel as a Cat 4, then exiting the NE tip of Yucatan Peninsula as a Cat 2 moving NE on a Wilma-like track


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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#131 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:39 pm

00z SHIP shear forecast

After 48 hours is all about great conditions aloft,if this SHIP forecast is right.

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              *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *      GOES DATA AVAILABLE                  *
                    *      OHC  DATA AVAILABLE                  *
                    *  INVEST      AL992010  10/21/10  00 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    30    31    33    36    37    43    51    56    61    67    70    71    68
V (KT) LAND       30    31    33    36    37    43    51    56    61    41    31    28    27
V (KT) LGE mod    30    30    31    32    33    35    39    43    50    38    30    28    27

SHEAR (KT)        16    16    16    16    18    16     9     3     3     4     9     2     4
SHEAR ADJ (KT)     1    -1    -4    -5    -6    -6    -1     1     0     4     0    13    11
SHEAR DIR        199   199   204   191   185   208   190   294    31    66   131   135   183
SST (C)         29.4  29.4  29.4  29.4  29.3  29.1  28.9  29.0  29.3  29.1  27.9  27.4  27.2
POT. INT. (KT)   155   153   154   155   153   151   149   152   157   153   135   127   124
ADJ. POT. INT.   141   136   137   139   139   139   139   145   152   147   126   116   112
200 MB T (C)   -53.5 -53.5 -53.4 -53.1 -53.0 -53.4 -52.9 -53.2 -52.9 -53.4 -52.9 -53.4 -52.8
TH_E DEV (C)       8     7     8     9     9     8     9     6     8     7    10     9    12
700-500 MB RH     59    56    51    49    49    48    50    50    54    52    51    46    41
GFS VTEX (KT)      9    10    10    10    10    11    11    12    10     9     9     7     5
850 MB ENV VOR    36    44    43    41    49    44    67    75    86    60    58    52    66
200 MB DIV        46    36    53    56    45    53    50    32    21    14    26    12   -23
LAND (KM)        313   309   306   333   316   246   143    94    67  -116  -200  -141  -122
LAT (DEG N)     17.6  17.6  17.5  17.5  17.4  17.2  17.0  16.7  16.6  16.6  16.8  17.1  17.1
LONG(DEG W)     81.2  81.2  81.1  81.4  81.6  82.4  83.7  85.5  87.7  89.9  91.9  93.3  94.1
STM SPEED (KT)     3     1     1     2     3     5     7    10    11    10     8     5     4
HEAT CONTENT      96    96    96    92    91    93    85    80    70     0    19    17    14

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT): 90/  2      CX,CY:   2/  0
  T-12 MAX WIND:  30            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  557  (MEAN=624)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV.  50-200 KM RAD:  27.0 (MEAN=14.5)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  49.0 (MEAN=65.0)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  11.  11.  12.  13.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          1.   1.   2.   3.   7.  12.  18.  23.  27.  30.  30.  31.
  VERTICAL SHEAR MAG     1.   2.   2.   3.   3.   4.   4.   5.   6.   7.   9.   9.
  VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ     0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   2.   1.   0.
  VERTICAL SHEAR DIR     0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -6.  -5.  -3.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   0.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -6.  -7.  -7.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -5.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.   3.   4.   4.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   2.   2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -5.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.  -1.
  GOES PREDICTORS        0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.  -1.  -1.   0.   1.   1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE           1.   3.   6.   8.  13.  21.  26.  31.  37.  40.  41.  38.

   ** 2010 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL992010 INVEST     10/21/10  00 UTC **
           ( 30 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   0.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  1.3
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  16.3 Range: 26.2 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.5
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  47.2 Range:-21.0 to 140.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.6
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 108.2 Range: 33.5 to 126.5 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  0.6
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  70.0 Range: 56.0 to  85.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.5/  0.3
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  44.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.0
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  27.0 Range: 30.6 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.2
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  94.2 Range:  0.0 to 130.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  0.1
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    19% is   1.5 times the sample mean(12.6%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    12% is   1.5 times the sample mean( 8.1%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 4.8%)
 Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 3.4%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL992010 INVEST     10/21/10  00 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY             

** PROBLTY OF AT LEAST 1 SCNDRY EYEWL FORMTN EVENT AL992010 INVEST     10/21/2010  00 UTC **
TIME(HR)   0-12  12-24(0-24)  24-36(0-36)  36-48(0-48)
CLIMO(%)     0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- PROB BASED ON INTENSITY ONLY
PROB(%)      0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- FULL MODEL PROB (RAN NORMALLY)
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#132 Postby caneseddy » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:41 pm

12Z GFDL has shifted south...now has 99L plowing into the Yucatan south of Cozumel as a Cat 4 on Sunday, moving north just inland and then exiting the NE tip of Yucatan as a Cat 2 on Monday on a NE heading (identical spot where Wilma was)

http://tc.met.psu.edu/
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#133 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:43 pm

18z GFDL slams Belize and dies in Yucatan.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2. ... =Animation
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#134 Postby caneseddy » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:46 pm

cycloneye wrote:18z GFDL slams Belize and dies in Yucatan.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2. ... =Animation


Interesting...the GFDL trended big time south from earlier today and is much, much weaker than previous runs, which had a major hurricane in the Caribbean around the western tip of Cuba
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#135 Postby Ivanhater » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:48 pm

Consensus is in better agreement now

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#136 Postby KWT » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:51 pm

Yeah some sort of loop towards Belize/Yucatan BUT these systems have a habit of fooling the models, highly sheared systems tend to relocate eastwards in this set-up more often then not so we will see.

GFDL IMO is a good deal too far south now, the 12z run looked about right IMO...
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#137 Postby Blown Away » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:52 pm

:uarrow: Yep I agree, short term it looks like 99L will stay off the CA north coast and long term will have to see if the models keep bending more north along the Yucatan coast or continue to bury 99L over the Yucatan.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#138 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:52 pm

Interesting the TVCN track at 00z.

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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#139 Postby Ivanhater » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:56 pm

GFS Ensembles

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Re: ATL : INVEST 99L - Models

#140 Postby Battlebrick » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:17 pm

The model consensus reminds me of Karl. Except if Karl took the north path into the GoM then it would of been more powerful.
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