ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

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#2641 Postby vacanechaser » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:13 pm

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brunota2003 wrote:They are probably just as baffled as us.


I think baffled and under a lot of pressure to get it right with as much lead time as possible due to the fleet of surface ships at the Deepwater Horizon site.



good to see you here jim!!

gonna go to mexico if it heads there???


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#2642 Postby JTE50 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:17 pm

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brunota2003 wrote:They are probably just as baffled as us.


I think baffled and under a lot of pressure to get it right with as much lead time as possible due to the fleet of surface ships at the Deepwater Horizon site.


Jim are youre going to be chasing alex? Would not suprise me to see a 100kt cane during the next day or two the ways things are rolling tonight.


If you can tell me where it's going maybe I'll go after it. :) I sure hope that oil washing up on our beach doesn't get any worse after Alex is done. Last Wednesday there was black oil all over the beach for miles. When I flew over the Deepwater horizon site a week ago there were so many ships skimming and supporting the relief well operations. If Alex pulls more right of track it's going to get rough out there.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2643 Postby AdamFirst » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:19 pm

Last visibles before sundown....everything is beginning to fill in.

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#2644 Postby Ikester » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:21 pm

My buddy is the chief at one of the stations here in Houston and they called him in to do the weather tonight. Taking it seriously here in H-town...
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#2645 Postby JTE50 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:22 pm

vacanechaser wrote:
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brunota2003 wrote:They are probably just as baffled as us.


I think baffled and under a lot of pressure to get it right with as much lead time as possible due to the fleet of surface ships at the Deepwater Horizon site.



good to see you here jim!!

gonna go to mexico if it heads there???

Your avatar scares me every time I see it Jesse. I might stay here to see what Alex does to the oil offshore.


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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2646 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:22 pm

Latest motion looks NNW

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2647 Postby vaffie » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:23 pm

It is down 0.3 mb in the past hour and a half. :) For AMUSEMENT's sake (do not read anything into this), if we extrapolated a constant rate of decline of 0.2 mb/hr, in 120 hours, we would reach 955 mb, or a Category 3 hurricane.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2648 Postby Ikester » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:24 pm

I was just about to post the same thing...
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2649 Postby N2FSU » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:31 pm

Is the convection appearing in this WV loop in western Texas part of the trough dipping down? If so, it sure looks like it is beating Alex to the punch and will turn him pretty soon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/gmex/flash-wv.html
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2650 Postby ROCK » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:31 pm

vaffie wrote:It is down 0.3 mb in the past hour and a half. :) For AMUSEMENT's sake (do not read anything into this), if we extrapolated a constant rate of decline of 0.2 mb/hr, in 120 hours, we would reach 955 mb, or a Category 3 hurricane.



if it did that it would be one for the records books....
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2651 Postby ozonepete » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:32 pm

N2FSU wrote:Is the convection appearing in this WV loop in western Texas part of the trough dipping down? If so, it sure looks like it is beating Alex to the punch and will turn him pretty soon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/gmex/flash-wv.html


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#2652 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:32 pm

955mb in this environment would not be a Cat 3...probably only a high Cat 1/low Cat 2.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2653 Postby amawea » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:34 pm

Man! The dyanamics of this storm were amazing as it crossed the Yucatan. Look at the outflow and feeder bands even when it was over land. 8-)
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#2654 Postby gulf701 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:34 pm

Alex is very impressive considering it has been over land for several hours and was not a powerful storm before land fall. The speed at which convection recovered when exposed to open water and the current structure should have the attention of everyone along the Gulf of Mexico coast from Mexico to Florida. It would be very prudent for government and private sectors to dust off their disaster plans and pray Alex does not take the dreaded Northern track. It has this emergency reponders attention.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2655 Postby ozonepete » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:36 pm

Hey CrazyC83, or anyone else, does the NHC get any 00Z output in time for the 10PM EST advisory? I would think not, but I'm embarrased to say I don't know for sure.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2657 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:37 pm

ozonepete wrote:Hey CrazyC83, or anyone else, does the NHC get any 00Z output in time for the 10PM EST advisory? I would think not, but I'm embarrased to say I don't know for sure.


I believe they do.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2658 Postby MGC » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:38 pm

Convection really starting to pop around the center. Alex didn't waste any time since moving back over the water. Gonna be an impressive hurricane I'm afraid...MGC
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2659 Postby clfenwi » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:38 pm

ozonepete wrote:Hey CrazyC83, or anyone else, does the NHC get any 00Z output in time for the 10PM EST advisory? I would think not, but I'm embarrased to say I don't know for sure.


No, they don't get 00Z dynamic model output in time for that advisory. Instead, they work from interpolations of 18Z runs.

Forecast models are characterized as either early or late, depending on whether they are available to the forecaster during the forecast cycle. For example, consider the 1200 UTC forecast cycle, which begins with the 1200 UTC synoptic time and ends with the release of an official forecast at 1500 UTC. The 1200 UTC run of the NWS/Global Forecast System (GFS) model is not complete and available to the forecaster until about 1600 UTC, an hour after the forecast is released. Thus, the 1200 UTC GFS would be considered a "late" model since it could not be used to prepare the 1200 UTC official forecast. Conversely, the BAM models are generally available within a few minutes of the time they are initialized. Therefore, they are termed "early" models. Model timeliness is listed in Table 1.

Due to their complexity, dynamical models are generally, if not always, late models. Fortunately, a technique exists to take the latest available run of a late model and adjust its forecast so that it applies to the current synoptic time and initial conditions. In the example above, forecast data for hours 6-126 from the previous (0600 UTC) run of the GFS would be smoothed and then adjusted, or shifted, so that the 6-h forecast (valid at 1200 UTC) would match the observed 1200 UTC position and intensity of the TC. The adjustment process creates an "early" version of the GFS model that becomes part of the most current available guidance for the 1200 UTC forecast cycle. The adjusted versions of the late models are known, largely for historical reasons, as "interpolated" models.


Source: Technical Summary of the National Hurricane Center Track and Intensity Models
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

#2660 Postby Jessie » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:43 pm

And this is JUNE ?????????
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