ATL: TROPICAL DEPRESSION ALEX - DISCUSSION

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3121 Postby KWT » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:49 pm

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HouTXmetro wrote:I guess my eyes are playing tricks on me. I swear on the vis Alex appears to have made a considerable jog to the North or even NNE. just saying.....and no I'm not making any landfall implications...just an observation.


I don't think your eyes are playing tricks on you. That is what I see too.


Yeah, its quite a tough call to make but its quite possible the convective blow up has allowed the system to wobble to the NNE in very light steering currents.

Either way as Jay said, it won't make much of a difference unless it becomes longer lasting, just may delay the eventual landfall for a few hours at the moment...of course longer it lasts the chances increase of it still being around for the next trough, but as Jay also alluded to, thats probably a very remote chance still!
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3122 Postby ozonepete » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:50 pm

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Sanibel wrote:Still NNW in my opinion.
Getting enough water underneath it now that it is starting to rebound.


Yeah it may well be the system is moving NNW, but its a really hard thing to tell now convection is blooming over the center. No doubts IMO we are starting to see increasingly favourable conditions aloft and thats allowing Alex to rebound again after that shear hit earlier today.



Just as a lot of us have been saying, Alex would respond to the very positive environment as soon as it started clearing the Yucatan. And it really looks like it's begun - I'm guessing a pretty impressive ramp-up tonight.
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#3123 Postby NEXRAD » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:50 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Not gonna lie, i dont see any wobbles lol. That storm looks pinned. Either way. I dont want this to happen, but for this storm to make a landfall around Corpus Christi or Victoria, what has to happen and is that a VERY plausible scenario? Sorry ive been reading the forum all day and looking at the maps but can see the major players. Ive seen a spin in La, a what seems to be a slight trough in NE Texas, and the high pressure racing in from the Rockies. Which is the major player?


The ridge situated over the Rockies and poised to move into the Great Plains over the next day or so is the primary player for Alex's eventual landfall. The Atlantic ridge and its interaction with the ongoing trough over the SE US is a secondary player. Look for the trough to exit the US East Coast over the next 24 hours, which will allow a Wward building of the Atlantic ridge. One sign to watch for in terms of the Atlantic ridge strengthening is a weakening (or dissipation) of the upper low moving in vicinity of the Bahamas. The RUC suggests this feature will merge with the troughing and diminish in the near future. If the Upper Low remains present it could mean that the trough wasn't as deep as forecast - hence the high pressure is stronger - or that the Atlantic ridge is not as potent as model guidance suggests.

For storm movement, a weaker Atlantic ridge could translate into a more northerly track for Alex, which could allow landfall farther up the Wrn Gulf Coast. A faster moving storm could also allow this scenario to unfold. So, for Central Texas, the way Alex would be more threatening would be if the storm 1) were faster moving, and 2) the ridge action was weaker.

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3124 Postby ozonepete » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:51 pm

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HouTXmetro wrote:I guess my eyes are playing tricks on me. I swear on the vis Alex appears to have made a considerable jog to the North or even NNE. just saying.....and no I'm not making any landfall implications...just an observation.


I don't think your eyes are playing tricks on you. That is what I see too.


I see it too. Be it temporary or not.
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#3125 Postby Normandy » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:51 pm

KWT wrote:FWIW its probably better if this storm can lift out just a little more than expected, the region close to the border is highly populated, esp compared to a little further north in the region where Bret hit...

I was thinking that maybe the case Jay, at least recon will give us a center fix soon so we know exactly where bout it is.


Unfortunately I don't think itll matter where it hits. Unlike Bret, this is a large storm and will have far-reaching effects. Remember that when Ike struck the upper Texas coast last year, it devastated SW Lousiana despite coming in 100 miles west. Even if it struck Kennedy county surge would affect the entire Texas coast northward.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3126 Postby NEXRAD » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:53 pm

8PM EDT is in...

LOCATION...20.6N 91.6W
60mph.

Center is a little east-northeast.

[Edit - geesh, you know you've done too much MATLAB programming when you get lat and long mixed up! Sorry folks.]

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3127 Postby HouTXmetro » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:56 pm

NEXRAD wrote:8PM EDT is in...

LOCATION...20.6N 91.6W
60mph.

Center is a little east-northeast.

[Edit - geesh, you know you've done too much MATLAB programming when you get lat and long mixed up! Sorry folks.]

- Jay
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SSW?, boy was I wrong. I guess why they get paid to do what they do and I don't. Ok, I see you have made your correction. lol....how much lat did it gain?
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3128 Postby NEXRAD » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:58 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:
NEXRAD wrote:8PM EDT is in...

LOCATION...20.6N 91.6W
60mph.

Center is a little east-northeast.

[Edit - geesh, you know you've done too much MATLAB programming when you get lat and long mixed up! Sorry folks.]

- Jay
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SSW?, boy was I wrong. I guess why they get paid to do what they do and I don't.


No no, I was wrong with my lat/long interpretation. I've been plugging away at numbers and mathematical formula/matrix translations all afternoon. I'm going to need a break from the computer and numbers here. Alex is east-northeast of the storm's 5PM position - near stationary per the TPC. Gained 0.1 N and 0.2E

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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3129 Postby HouTXmetro » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:00 pm

He may have been stationary when they took the fix, but I think he's moving now.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3130 Postby ROCK » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:04 pm

so there was a east component....nice catch whoever posted it the first time...
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3131 Postby SunnyThoughts » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:04 pm

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#3132 Postby KWT » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:06 pm

So there was a very slight eastwards nudge, so its not moving away from the shelf waters just yet then from the looks of things, looks like the better presenation is mainly down to the lowering of shear.
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#3133 Postby ozonepete » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:10 pm

KWT wrote:So there was a very slight eastwards nudge, so its not moving away from the shelf waters just yet then from the looks of things, looks like the better presenation is mainly down to the lowering of shear.


The NHC is so good at track now that I rarely disagree, but this is one I'm not sure about. Meaning I suspect it's going more north than the models are forecasting. Once again, we will have to wait for the 00Z run output to get a better handle on things. We all saw the eastward jog - and as we know, if it persists in that motion for more thna a few hours, the model output will have to shift right in the track.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3134 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:15 pm

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#3135 Postby KWT » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:17 pm

That convection really is trying its hardest to wrap around the circulation of Alex, wonder if that will tug the system back to the NNW over the next few hours, will need to be watched.

At the moment that ENE motion doesn't mean much, could even be as little as the LLC being whipped round as the convection tries to wrap into the circulation from the NE. Who knows, for now it doesn't mean much.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3136 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:24 pm

I predicted this morning that they would bring the winds down in the forecast sometime today, and sure enough they did. They are now only expecting a cat1 now as opposed to cat2....This is due in part to the large size. I'm thinking minimal cane 75 to 80 mph. ...Hopefully it will be just a strong tropical storm. It's going to bring lots of rain though, so it's still going to cause some problems.

I know it's still early, but based upon the latest computer models swinging it into Mexico, and the latest advisory issued, I'm feeling much much better about this storm.
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#3137 Postby KWT » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:28 pm

Not sure it won't strengthen CZ to cat-2, there really isn't a lot to stop this system, the models aren't super high with this one but once the shear eases (which it is right now if you look at the presentation) and it moves away from the shelf water you'll see this system actually get a decent chance of strengthening...though I don't expect anything too major in the next 12hrs still...
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3138 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:33 pm

KWT, are you thinking Mexico landfall? After reading the latest advisory, they say they are more confident about that then they were yesterday, mostly because the models are consolidating. Plus they mentioned that their track is to the right of where the models are pointing it to. This tells me that they may shift the cone south once again on the next advisory.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

#3139 Postby tolakram » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:34 pm

As far as the apparent N/NE movement, both the GFDL and HWRF predict a short period of due north before a hard left turn. This may be what we are seeing.
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM ALEX - DISCUSSION

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