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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#261 Postby Chacor » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:28 am

RobWESTPACWX wrote:On the DSCN of CHIPS; Who produces that model anyhow?

It's an experimental model run by Kerry Emanuel. I believe it basically takes the initialised data then produces runs based on varying the environmental factors, eg one ensemble run could be run with lower shear or higher SST.
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#262 Postby ejeraldmc » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:40 am

It's moving a little southwest.
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#263 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:22 pm

Chacor wrote:
RobWESTPACWX wrote:On the DSCN of CHIPS; Who produces that model anyhow?

It's an experimental model run by Kerry Emanuel. I believe it basically takes the initialised data then produces runs based on varying the environmental factors, eg one ensemble run could be run with lower shear or higher SST.


Thanks Chacor! Learned something today.,
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#264 Postby ejeraldmc » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:28 pm

Strong winds here in Manila but no rain
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#265 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:05 pm

CNN World really giving Okinawa no love with this storm, (only channel available for me on the ship) All they want to talk about is Irene...
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#266 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:07 pm

Not sure if everyone has seen this, but consensus pulling right of Okinawa.. Great news!

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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#267 Postby P.K. » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:04 pm

WTPQ20 RJTD 251800
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TY 1111 NANMADOL (1111)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 251800UTC 16.4N 124.0E GOOD
MOVE W SLOWLY
PRES 945HPA
MXWD 090KT
GUST 130KT
50KT 70NM
30KT 150NM
FORECAST
24HF 261800UTC 18.3N 123.3E 70NM 70%
MOVE NNW SLOWLY
PRES 940HPA
MXWD 095KT
GUST 135KT
48HF 271800UTC 20.3N 122.9E 160NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 935HPA
MXWD 095KT
GUST 135KT
72HF 281800UTC 22.0N 122.7E 220NM 70%
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 935HPA
MXWD 095KT
GUST 135KT =
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#268 Postby Extratropical94 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:02 pm

UP TO 115 KNOTS!


WTPN31 PGTW 252100
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 14W (NANMADOL) WARNING NR 013
02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
251800Z --- NEAR 16.5N 124.0E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 270 DEGREES AT 05 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 020 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 16.5N 124.0E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
260600Z --- 17.0N 123.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 130 KT, GUSTS 160 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 325 DEG/ 07 KTS
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24 HRS, VALID AT:
261800Z --- 18.1N 122.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 340 DEG/ 06 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
270600Z --- 19.2N 122.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 350 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
271800Z --- 20.5N 121.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 125 KT, GUSTS 150 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 135 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 005 DEG/ 05 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
281800Z --- 22.3N 122.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 135 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 030 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
291800Z --- 23.6N 122.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 045 DEG/ 04 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
301800Z --- 24.6N 124.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
252100Z POSITION NEAR 16.6N 123.8E.
TYPHOON 14W (NANMADOL), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 630 NM SOUTH-SOUTHWEST
OF KADENA AB, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 05 KTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THE SYSTEM
HAS RAPIDLY INTENSIFIED OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS AND SHOWS A 10 NM EYE
WITH SYMMETRIC DEEP CONVECTION. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS BASED ON
PGTW, KNES, AND RJTD DVORAK ESTIMATES RANGING FROM 100 TO 130 KNOTS.
ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY DEPICTS A POLEWARD OUTFLOW CHANNEL INTO
A TROPICAL UPPER TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH TO THE NORTH AND EXCELLENT
DIFFLUENCE ALONG THE REMAINING PERIPHERIES. TY 14W CONTINUES TO
TRACK WESTWARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF A SUBTROPICAL RIDGE
(STR). A 25/12Z UPPER LEVEL SOUNDING INDICATES DEEP EASTERLY FLOW,
ALTHOUGH STILL WEAK. TY 14W IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN TURNING POLEWARD
WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS AS A MID-LATITUDE TROUGH WEAKENS THE STR.
TY 14W SHOULD CONTINUE TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY OVER THE NEXT 12 HOURS
AND THEN BEGIN TO WEAKEN SLIGHTLY AS IS SKIRTS THE COAST OF LUZON.
IT WILL THEN RE-INTENSIFY WITH IMPROVED OUTFLOW INTO THE APPROACHING
MID-LATITUDE TROUGH AS IT ROUNDS THE RIDGE AXIS. SEA SURFACE
TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN HIGH THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE
FORECAST. MODEL GUIDANCE HAS COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT; HOWEVER IT
HAS BEEN UNREPRESENTATIVE OF THE PERSISTENT MOTION. THEREFORE, THIS
FORECAST IS TO THE LEFT OF MODEL CONSENSUS. THIS FORECAST IS FARTHER
WEST THAN PREVIOUS FORECASTS BECAUSE THE STR TO THE NORTH IS
STRONGER THAN EXPECTED. ADDITIONALLY, DIRECT CYCLONE INTERACTION IS
NO LONGER CONSIDERED PLAUSIBLE WITH THE INCREASING DISTANCE FROM TS
15W. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 251800Z IS 26 FEET. NEXT
WARNINGS AT 260300Z, 260900Z, 261500Z AND 262100Z. REFER TO TROPICAL
STORM 15W (TALAS) WARNINGS (WTPN32 PGTW) FOR SIX-HOURLY UPDATES.//
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#269 Postby supercane » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:09 pm

Comparison of 18Z agency tracks:
JMA:
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JTWC:
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Latest IR:
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Last JTWC Dvorak estimate 6.5/127kt:
TPPN11 PGTW 251838
A. TYPHOON 14W (NANMADOL)
B. 25/1732Z
C. 16.5N
D. 124.0E
E. ONE/MTSAT
F. T6.5/6.5/D2.5/24HRS STT: D1.5/06HRS
G. IR/EIR
H. REMARKS: 05A/PBO IRREG EYE/ANMTN. DG EYE SURR BY W YIELDS A
6.5 DT. MET AND PT YIELDS A 6.0. DBO DT. EYE DIAMETER 10NM.
I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS: NONE
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#270 Postby oaba09 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:31 pm

Based on the latest sat loops, it seems to be starting to make the predicted northwards turn...
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#271 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:38 pm

ECM bends this back westwards over Taiwan on its 12z run and kills the system with probably a major landfall...

Talas on the otherhand ends up near Japan, no interaction on this 12z run but I'm not sure its got the right idea on the motion...

JWTC close to the ECM though and a PI threat looks very possible unless it gains latitude right now...
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#272 Postby phwxenthusiast » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:41 pm

i still think this won't make landfall in Cagayan... however, it could certainly brush the NE coas (near Sta. Ana) by Saturday; the CPA would probably be around 50km...

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#273 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:42 pm

The other thing I will say is I can well believe the JWTC estimate of 115kts, the system looks most impressive right now!
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#274 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:05 pm

My new vacation spot, Aparri, with the amount of storms they get it should have just been assumed this would track west and make landfall there.

.. On another note though, with 15W remaining weak and this getting stronger and continuing to linger, I think the DCI effect is going to be less and less. In other words a turn NE? Maybe not, or at least not as abrupt.
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#275 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:06 pm

Interesting ideas Rob, I think the ECM is keying into this as it gets quite abit further west then its previous runs and ends up spinning out over Taiwan...
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#276 Postby dexterlabio » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:07 pm

So 4 days ago the projected track was farther north and away from Luzon but it everything has trended to the west until now. Landfall still unlikely in Luzon but still if it is gonna brush just off the coast then that would spell some trouble.
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#277 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:09 pm

Yep dexterlabio, you only really need the inner eyewall to hit land which is certainly possible if it follows something close to JWTC.

Is there a radar from that area guys?
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#278 Postby Infdidoll » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:11 pm

Wow...that ECM run just shows Taiwan killing the whole system. That is likely if it gets too close to Taiwan given the terrain on that side. We've seen storms fall apart before just skirting the coast because of the coastal mountains there. Looks like JTWC pulled it back to the West some as well.
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Re: WPAC: NANMADOL - Typhoon (14W/Mina)

#279 Postby Infdidoll » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:13 pm

RobWESTPACWX wrote:My new vacation spot, Aparri, with the amount of storms they get it should have just been assumed this would track west and make landfall there.

.. On another note though, with 15W remaining weak and this getting stronger and continuing to linger, I think the DCI effect is going to be less and less. In other words a turn NE? Maybe not, or at least not as abrupt.


Yeah, no kidding! Aparri is always taking a beating! How many storms have taken this exact track across Aparri now? :double:
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#280 Postby phwxenthusiast » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:13 pm

KWT wrote:Yep dexterlabio, you only really need the inner eyewall to hit land which is certainly possible if it follows something close to JWTC.

Is there a radar from that area guys?


this is the last Radar Image that PAGASA posted, about 3-hours old now.. remember that they don't really post the real-time link on their website which is such a shame really...

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