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#4281 Postby Crackbone » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:33 am

KWT wrote:Also something that is REALLY getting on my nerves already is the idea that this storm wil lbe a fish...

Ummm...given its already hit PR AND going to go through the Bahamas and probably going to hit NC/outer Bank (I'm FAR from convinced this goes out to sea yet) means this is NO fish!


I am absolutely with you. It's already getting West of the proposed "recurve" that the NHC is mapping for, and if it doesn't turn soon, I fail to see how it's going meet the NHC track.


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#4282 Postby SeminoleWind » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:34 am

looks on track to me
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Recon Discussion

#4283 Postby clfenwi » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:34 am

Planned flight paths for this afternoon's G-IV mission as well as the WP-3 research flight.

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#4284 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:34 am

RL3AO wrote:3-hrly fixes start Thursday morning.


Yep,they will be very busy.Here is todays TCPOD.

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WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1100 AM EDT TUE 23 AUGUST 2011
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
         VALID 24/1100Z TO 25/1100Z AUGUST 2011
         TCPOD NUMBER.....11-084

I.  ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. HURRICANE IRENE
       FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 72     FLIGHT TWO -- NOAA 49
       A. 24/12Z,18Z             A. 25/00Z
       B. AFXXX 1409A IRENE      B. NOAA9 1509A IRENE
       C. 24/0930Z               C. 24/1730Z
       D. 22.3N 73.8W            F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT
       E. 24/1130Z TO 24/18Z
       F. SFC TO 15,000 FT       FLIGHT FOUR -- TEAL 73
                                 A. 25/00Z,06Z
       FLIGHT THREE -- NOAA 42   B. AFXXX 1709A IRENE
       A. 25/00Z                 C. 24/2115Z
       B. NOAA2 1609A IRENE      D. 23.6N 75.2W
       C. 24/20Z                 E. 24/2330Z TO 25/06Z
       F. SFC TO 15,000 FT       F. SFC TO 15,000 FT

       FLIGHT FIVE -- NOAA 49    FLIGHT SIX -- TEAL 71
       A. 25/12Z                 A. 25/09,12,15Z
       B. NOAA9 1809A IRENE      B. AFXXX 1909A IRENE
       C. 25/0530Z               C. 25/0600Z
       F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT    D. 24.8N 76.0W
                                 E. 25/0830Z TO 25/15Z
       FLIGHT SEVEN -- NOAA 42   F. SFC TO 15,000 FT
       A. 25/12Z
       B. NOAA2 2009A IRENE
       C. 25/08Z
       D. SFC TO 15,000 FT

    2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: CONTINUE 3-HRLY FIXES,
       P-3 AND G-IV MISSIONS EVERY 12 HRS.

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#4285 Postby AdamFirst » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:36 am

HurricaneWarning92 wrote:what i find interesting is the Storm2k graphic map still has S FL in the cone while the NHC doenst... so on one site im in the cone, but on the other im not.. should i watch this? im confused.


S2K's is not updated yet. You see the disclaimer right below the map, it's foolish to heed a forecast from this site and not the NHC.
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Hurricane - Discussion

#4286 Postby SNOW_JOKE » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:38 am

Wave height model for the East Coast :eek:

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/viewer ... eastcoast-
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Hurricane - Discussion

#4287 Postby sandyb » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:38 am

You know I don't mean to sound ugly, but I am watching the weather channel and I read things here, we have a hugh hurricane maybe even a 3 or 4 headed to NC (it could miss us yes but right now all models point to us) and all people can talk about is how its going to miss Florida! well good for Florida count your blessings but please focus on where its going and post so we can get the latest info that you people seem to know so well. I enjoy reading and learning from many folks on here but now it just seems unemportant all of a sudden. My son in law lived in Florida during Andrew he head in a closet, he's 29 years old and getting plenty worried. I told him yes we might get it but becasue of the difference in our coast and Florida for some reason we just dont seem to get hit as hard as Florida so hang put and we will see what happens. keep us informed please we are concerned up here!
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Hurricane - Discussion

#4288 Postby PTPatrick » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:40 am

I have a 4:00 pm flight from Philly to Zurich on Sunday...anybody want to venture a guess on flight effects in the mid atlantic on Sunday afternoon?
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Hurricane - Discussion

#4289 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:40 am

Few good microwave passes

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#4290 Postby WilmingtonSandbar » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:42 am

SENClander wrote:For those of you who are saying they are breathing a sigh of relief. I would still pay close attention. I remember Diana '84 who passed us by off the coast and then stalled just NE of us. A day later she decided to take the backdoor into our house. Never let your guard down until she is truly gone!! Diana actually looped around and came in at Cape Fear.


The eye of Diana actually went over the house I grew up in in Boiling Spring Lakes twice. I remember standing n it both times.
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#4291 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:42 am

AdamFirst wrote:
HurricaneWarning92 wrote:what i find interesting is the Storm2k graphic map still has S FL in the cone while the NHC doenst... so on one site im in the cone, but on the other im not.. should i watch this? im confused.


S2K's is not updated yet. You see the disclaimer right below the map, it's foolish to heed a forecast from this site and not the NHC.


Yes i see it. But i saw a few days ago when S.Fl was still in the cone on the NHC site, and this site still had it further west than the official. And i mentioned this but no one answered. I dont think it has nothing to do with being updated or not.
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#4292 Postby artist » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:43 am

000
URNT15 KNHC 231539
AF302 0809A IRENE HDOB 17 20110823
152900 2035N 07229W 6916 03205 0052 +080 +075 014029 030 034 000 00
152930 2035N 07227W 6914 03206 0047 +080 +073 009027 028 034 000 03
153000 2035N 07225W 6915 03205 0044 +083 +070 005025 026 034 000 00
153030 2035N 07224W 6916 03201 0040 +085 +072 005025 026 033 000 00
153100 2035N 07222W 6915 03199 0040 +082 +074 007027 028 036 005 00
153130 2035N 07220W 6914 03193 0035 +080 +075 008029 029 035 000 00
153200 2035N 07218W 6914 03190 0032 +084 +073 009029 029 033 000 00
153230 2035N 07216W 6916 03188 0026 +083 +081 008031 031 033 000 03
153300 2035N 07214W 6916 03187 0026 +082 //// 009032 033 035 000 01
153330 2035N 07212W 6913 03189 0022 +083 +080 012034 034 034 000 00
153400 2035N 07211W 6914 03186 0021 +084 +078 012035 036 034 000 00
153430 2035N 07209W 6914 03182 0020 +083 +073 012036 036 033 000 00
153500 2035N 07207W 6913 03184 0019 +081 +069 011036 036 034 000 00
153530 2035N 07205W 6915 03180 0016 +084 +064 011036 036 036 000 00
153600 2035N 07203W 6913 03178 0010 +089 +062 012037 037 037 000 00
153630 2035N 07201W 6917 03175 0008 +090 +059 013038 038 037 000 03
153700 2035N 07200W 6913 03177 0003 +092 +057 011038 038 038 001 03
153730 2035N 07158W 6914 03174 0000 +095 +054 009038 038 038 000 03
153800 2035N 07156W 6912 03175 9990 +098 +062 007036 037 039 000 03
153830 2035N 07154W 6918 03166 9993 +091 +087 009033 033 040 000 03
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#4293 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:44 am

HurricaneWarning92 wrote:what i find interesting is the Storm2k graphic map still has S FL in the cone while the NHC doesn't... so on one site i'm in the cone, but on the other im not.. should i watch this? im confused.


In the first place, the cone should not be the determinant as to whether anyone should make preparations for possible impact. The cone is merely a region that defines the 5-year 67th percentile track error. This means that of all the NHC forecasts over the past 5 years (2006-2010), the CENTER of the storms stayed within that cone area 67% of the time.

The cone IS NOT a good indicator of the potential impact area from a hurricane, meaning you're not considered "safe" if you're outside the cone. Even if a hurricane's center tracks right down the middle of the cone, its tropical storm force winds can extend well outside the cone. Same goes for the hurricane winds at times. Your location could be outside the cone and still receive hurricane conditions and a major tidal increase, as was the case with the Louisiana coast with Ike's cone.

So don't judge yourself safe if you're outside the cone. Pay attention to what the local NWS office and the NHC are saying regarding potential impact and make your decisions accordingly.

In your case (Florida), the projected winds are going to be less than tropical storm strength, probably only 20-30 mph along the east coast. So you're going to be fine there as long as Irene behaves.
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#4294 Postby KWT » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:45 am

Inner structure is getting there, conditions must be pretty good aloft for it to be pulling an eye out despite land interaction with Hispaniola to the south.
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#4295 Postby Dave » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:46 am

Had to restart GE for update...

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#4296 Postby artist » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:46 am

000
URNT11 KNHC 231537
97779 15304 30206 72400 31100 36025 09073 /3101
43635
RMK AF302 0809A IRENE OB 10
SWS = 33 KTS
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Re: ATL: IRENE - Hurricane - Discussion

#4297 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:47 am

PTPatrick wrote:I have a 4:00 pm flight from Philly to Zurich on Sunday...anybody want to venture a guess on flight effects in the mid atlantic on Sunday afternoon?


Euro has near hurricane conditions in Philly at that time. If Irene tracks inland along the coast, then the airport will be closed Sunday. If Irene takes a more NNE track from the Carolinas then the airport may remain open.
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#4298 Postby wxman57 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:47 am

KWT wrote:Inner structure is getting there, conditions must be pretty good aloft for it to be pulling an eye out despite land interaction with Hispaniola to the south.


And the 10-20 kts of wind shear the NHC mentions.
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#4299 Postby HurricaneWarning92 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:49 am

wxman57 wrote:
HurricaneWarning92 wrote:what i find interesting is the Storm2k graphic map still has S FL in the cone while the NHC doesn't... so on one site i'm in the cone, but on the other im not.. should i watch this? im confused.


In the first place, the cone should not be the determinant as to whether anyone should make preparations for possible impact. The cone is merely a region that defines the 5-year 67th percentile track error. This means that of all the NHC forecasts over the past 5 years (2006-2010), the CENTER of the storms stayed within that cone area 67% of the time.

The cone IS NOT a good indicator of the potential impact area from a hurricane, meaning you're not considered "safe" if you're outside the cone. Even if a hurricane's center tracks right down the middle of the cone, its tropical storm force winds can extend well outside the cone. Same goes for the hurricane winds at times. Your location could be outside the cone and still receive hurricane conditions and a major tidal increase, as was the case with the Louisiana coast with Ike's cone.

So don't judge yourself safe if you're outside the cone. Pay attention to what the local NWS office and the NHC are saying regarding potential impact and make your decisions accordingly.

In your case (Florida), the projected winds are going to be less than tropical storm strength, probably only 20-30 mph along the east coast. So you're going to be fine there as long as Irene behaves.


I understand that. Im not saying i feel safe, im just speaking in general for other people who may have this question as well.
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#4300 Postby KWT » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:49 am

Wxman57, true but I don't think that shear is actually that high at the moment, it sure doesn't look like a sheared system to me...and those forecasts they use from the SHIPS are frankly almost a joke at times.

what direction is the shear fwiw?
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