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#7281 Postby SFLcane » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:05 am

SouthFLTropics wrote:
KWT wrote:Little low level turning feature swhot out of the far west side of the convection in the last few hours, looks like its still got several little circulations trying to get going every now and then...for the most part though at least the LLc is a little better defined now.

systems air is coming right over the highest ground of Hispaniola, really does need to get clear of it soon if its not going to start doing sginficant damage...

Wonder whether we will see another little strip show from Emily later lol?!


I think we are getting ready to see her pop out naked again from the west side of the convection...At least we will be able to track her movements better!


TPC actually is calling for only slight weaking over DR/Cuba.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7282 Postby ConvergenceZone » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:06 am

AdamFirst wrote:GFS intensity forecasts are conservative, to say the least. They've had strong storms that look weak on the model.



With Emily, I actually believe the models when it comes to a really weak system
I mean really, what has Emily shown us so far?
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#7283 Postby shortwave » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:06 am

solely from visible imagery, looks like its opened up into a wave recently
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7284 Postby Kory » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:08 am

The outflow has really been suppressed on the north and west side.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7285 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:09 am

ConvergenceZone wrote:
AdamFirst wrote:GFS intensity forecasts are conservative, to say the least. They've had strong storms that look weak on the model.



With Emily, I actually believe the models when it comes to a really weawk system
I mean really, what has Emily shown us so far?


Perseverance for one.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7286 Postby ConvergenceZone » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:10 am

artist wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:
AdamFirst wrote:GFS intensity forecasts are conservative, to say the least. They've had strong storms that look weak on the model.



With Emily, I actually believe the models when it comes to a really weawk system
I mean really, what has Emily shown us so far?


Perseverance for one.


lol yea that's about it....
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon

#7287 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:11 am

Plane departs.

URNT15 KNHC 041606
AF306 1205A EMILY HDOB 01 20110804
155030 1742N 06449W 0135 ///// 0123 +337 +230 360000 000 /// /// 23
155100 1742N 06449W 0129 ///// 0120 +298 +229 112008 014 /// /// 23
155130 1742N 06448W 9987 00119 0127 +274 +219 109019 021 /// /// 03
155200 1743N 06447W 9795 00284 0122 +254 +204 112021 023 /// /// 03
155230 1744N 06446W 9487 00517 0075 +232 +189 114022 023 /// /// 03
155300 1745N 06445W 9084 00878 0066 +206 +168 120021 024 /// /// 03
155330 1747N 06446W 8758 01300 0165 +191 +149 131022 024 /// /// 03
155400 1747N 06448W 8490 01565 0162 +178 +136 133023 023 /// /// 03
155430 1746N 06449W 8196 01869 0157 +167 +124 133022 023 /// /// 03
155500 1745N 06451W 7932 01976 0006 +151 +112 133025 025 /// /// 03
155530 1745N 06453W 7677 02316 0045 +140 +102 136024 024 /// /// 03
155600 1744N 06455W 7421 02711 0141 +130 +093 140025 025 /// /// 03
155630 1744N 06457W 7187 02982 0141 +116 +084 141027 028 /// /// 03
155700 1743N 06458W 6947 03265 0141 +100 +077 143029 030 /// /// 03
155730 1743N 06500W 6735 03529 0145 +086 +069 145029 030 /// /// 03
155800 1742N 06502W 6540 03774 0149 +068 +061 144030 031 /// /// 03
155830 1742N 06504W 6345 04023 0149 +053 //// 148033 033 /// /// 05
155900 1741N 06506W 6187 04232 0154 +039 //// 146030 032 /// /// 05
155930 1741N 06507W 6036 04434 0151 +024 //// 145027 029 /// /// 05
160000 1740N 06509W 5876 04632 0141 +008 //// 148023 024 /// /// 05
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7288 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:11 am

Still bordered by dry air to the NW. Could be spinning itself down, but not enough to prevent flooding.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon Discussion

#7289 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:12 am

Plane just tookoff.
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#7290 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:13 am

000
URNT15 KNHC 041610
AF306 1205A EMILY HDOB 02 20110804
160030 1740N 06511W 5735 04830 //// -002 //// 152020 022 /// /// 05
160100 1739N 06513W 5574 05074 //// -012 //// 168020 021 /// /// 05
160130 1739N 06515W 5449 05249 0318 -023 //// 166020 020 /// /// 05
160200 1738N 06517W 5332 05431 0329 -035 //// 169019 019 /// /// 05
160230 1738N 06519W 5205 05614 0340 -046 //// 180018 019 /// /// 05
160300 1737N 06520W 5096 05782 0349 -058 //// 188016 016 /// /// 05
160330 1737N 06522W 4998 05939 0357 -070 //// 184015 015 /// /// 05
160400 1736N 06524W 4909 06076 0366 -082 //// 183015 016 /// /// 05
160430 1735N 06526W 4797 06258 0375 -090 //// 192015 016 /// /// 05
160500 1735N 06528W 4731 06355 0380 -092 //// 176013 013 /// /// 05
160530 1734N 06530W 4658 06479 0386 -096 //// 169012 012 /// /// 05
160600 1734N 06532W 4584 06595 0387 -104 //// 159012 012 /// /// 05
160630 1733N 06534W 4519 06704 0390 -113 //// 150012 012 /// /// 05
160700 1733N 06536W 4450 06812 0389 -124 //// 149013 013 /// /// 05
160730 1732N 06538W 4376 06936 0395 -133 //// 148013 013 /// /// 05
160800 1732N 06540W 4309 07057 0403 -136 //// 152014 015 /// /// 05
160830 1731N 06542W 4252 07155 0408 -141 //// 157015 016 /// /// 05
160900 1730N 06544W 4174 07296 0416 -148 //// 168012 013 /// /// 05
160930 1730N 06546W 4109 07418 0423 -152 //// 195011 011 /// /// 05
161000 1729N 06548W 4052 07523 0429 -158 //// 210012 012 /// /// 05
$$
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7291 Postby dolebot_Broward_NW » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:13 am

TreasureIslandFLGal wrote:
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AHS2011 wrote:To add on to my previous question, if Emily stays in the Caribbean long enough, is there a chance that it could miss the trough?

Yes as there is a ridge building in from the NE. She could continue westward slowly and get caught under the ridge dominating the Southeast US and be on her way to Mexico from there.

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How would she get "caught under the ridging"? The steering currents around the current ridge she is following would lead her to follow its periphery, which requires her to follow it west and then to the nw and n and finally ne. The 2 ridges don't connect and she wouldn't simply be "passed on" to the other ridge to follow, especially if she is strengthening and drawn naturally more poleward. Its when a storm is drifting around and not already following a ridge that it can get caught by another ridge's steering flow if I understand it correctly. All that said....there is a possibility what you said can happen if Emily gets left behind during her slow movement/stall and the ridge she has been following regresses to the east or northeast quickly, leaving her behind to wander until she can find another steering pattern to be swept into.



Ah yes, but the steering currents are dynamic! The ridge is building back in as the trough moves away (actually its the same ridge thats pushing the trough away along its NW periphery, HP moves LP areas, not the other way, and LP erodes HP areas)

So as the ridge EXPANDS to the west, the storm "could" be caught under the ridge, and a fairly weak bridge could happen with the death ridge in the SE USA.

Here is the GFS at 12 hours.
Note specifically the isobar labeled 1020 and the one just west. That is the western periphery of the HP primarily responsible for current movement. (see the trough east of Massachusetts, labeled 1008? it extends down to roughly the carolinas and georgia).

Here is the GFS at 24 hours.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... p_024s.gif
Note the same isobar has moved west? Note the trough has lifted out of the carolinas.

This is a delicate dance, and these are only "predictions" by a model, but if that HP were to move much further west at 24 hours than she would continue to move WNW. Remember, HP moves LP, and LP only erodes HP. A storm cannot move directly into a high pressure area.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon Discussion

#7292 Postby artist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:14 am

cycloneye wrote:Plane just tookoff.

got it cycloneye, thanks!
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#7293 Postby wxman57 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:14 am

shortwave wrote:solely from visible imagery, looks like its opened up into a wave recently


I agree that Emily looks mighty sick right now. Probably not a wave, but unlikely a 45kt TS.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#7294 Postby ozonepete » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:14 am

Kory wrote:There is definitely some northern movement with this system now just by looking at visible satelitte. Plus, she looks very ragged on the left side, so even if she passes close to the Florida coast, don't expect much in the way of tropical storm winds or heavy rain, unless she goes through rapid intensification. Right now I don't see RI being an issue due to dry air around the storm.

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I see the northwesterly turn too, and even looks like it may be accelerating finally.
As far as RI, don't forget it doesn't need to. If it reorgs fairly quickly after it gets north of Haiti and Cuba it has enough time to get up to or close to a cat 1 without RI. And then the west side won't be ragged.
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Re: ATL: EMILY - Recon Discussion

#7295 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:15 am

Who wants to post the google graphics for this mission?
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#7296 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:15 am

Yep, abit of a longer flight now given the estimated center, are they likely to shift the plane anywhere closer as it gets further away or not?
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#7297 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:16 am

A weak system (Emily weakening again now) will be lead by low level steering, versus the upper level flow. In this case, the upper flow is dominated by the trough/ridge/recurve scenario. The low level flow around Em consists of a weak current heading generally west and west south west. So I would think that should result in a continued very slow, westward motion with her diminished state again.

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Re: ATL: EMILY - Models

#7298 Postby JPmia » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:17 am

12z GFS looks like lots or rain for south florida.
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#7299 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:17 am

If she's finally moving northwest for real, all I can say is ---Yay! Finally!
I would rather be wrong and eat lots of crow and keep her away from FL!
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#7300 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:18 am

wxman57 wrote:
shortwave wrote:solely from visible imagery, looks like its opened up into a wave recently


I agree that Emily looks mighty sick right now. Probably not a wave, but unlikely a 45kt TS.


Yep its looking a mess again, system just can't keep any convective bursting it has.

Recon will be interesting, either way this systemm ust get away from Haiti soon otherwise it really is going to have a horrid time getting itself back together.

Didn't Gustav take forever to get away from Haiti, eventually it just reformed...
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