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Re: ATL:INVEST 94L

#241 Postby ozonepete » Thu May 24, 2012 8:49 pm

:uarrow: That's a great answer AJC3. You expect these types of systems in the early and late season when a strong trough is digging into the lower latitudes. They can initiate a baroclinic, mid-latitude type of low (or hybrid) in the subtropics and then the source of vertical parcel ascent, in this case divergence aloft from the subtropical jet, will sometimes move away and/or weaken and the low can then begin to transition to warm-core as the the already present thunderstorm clusters themselves begin to use the latent heat of condensation process to continue powering the low. Since the relatively high winds from the cold-core system are already in place before the transition, the system will most likely get classified straight to a TS.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#242 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 24, 2012 10:54 pm

Look how big the area of interest has grown in size on the past few hours.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#243 Postby Comanche » Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 pm

Hopefully our friends in GA can get some needed drought relief out of this...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#244 Postby jdray » Thu May 24, 2012 11:07 pm

local NWS has a special advisement out.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/media/jax/vBrie ... /index.htm

Looks like a washout for Daytona/Jax over sunday/monday.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#245 Postby ROCK » Thu May 24, 2012 11:13 pm

Huge moisture envelope for sure. The shear needs to let up and let this thing consolidate / stack. still displaced. Once that happens, I can see JBs thought of a 50kts coming to fruition. Got to give props to EURO on this guy. Sniffed it out pretty well a few days ago...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#246 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 24, 2012 11:13 pm

ASCAT pass just before 11:00 PM EDT.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#247 Postby ROCK » Thu May 24, 2012 11:15 pm

I am pretty sure this is going to get named with all the vacationers on the EC beaches. I dont think the NHC will go to a TD but rather straight to a TS given how close it will be to land. I can see that happening late tommorow if it stacks some....JMO.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#248 Postby bamajammer4eva » Fri May 25, 2012 3:30 am

SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
425 AM EDT FRI MAY 25 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED NEAR THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS
IS PRODUCING AN EXTENSIVE AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER
THE BAHAMAS AND CUBA. WHILE THE ORGANIZATION OF THIS SYSTEM HAS NOT
IMPROVED OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS...ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED TO BECOME MORE CONDUCIVE FOR THE FORMATION OF A
SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE BY SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. THE LOW
SHOULD MOVE TOWARD THE NORTHEAST AT ABOUT 15 MPH DURING THE NEXT
DAY OR SO...FOLLOWED BY A GRADUAL TURN BACK TOWARD THE WEST ON
SATURDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...70 PERCENT...OF BECOMING
A TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL...FLOODING...AND GUSTY WINDS ARE POSSIBLE
TODAY OVER PORTIONS OF THE NORTHWESTERN AND CENTRAL BAHAMAS...AS
WELL AS CENTRAL CUBA. INTERESTS ALONG THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED
STATES COAST SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM
OVER THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. ANOTHER SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER
OUTLOOK FOR THIS SYSTEM WILL BE ISSUED LATER TODAY. FOR ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM...PLEASE SEE HIGH SEAS FORECASTS ISSUED
BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...AND PRODUCTS FROM YOUR LOCAL
WEATHER OFFICE.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#249 Postby northjaxpro » Fri May 25, 2012 3:32 am

ROCK wrote:I am pretty sure this is going to get named with all the vacationers on the EC beaches. I dont think the NHC will go to a TD but rather straight to a TS given how close it will be to land. I can see that happening late tommorow if it stacks some....JMO.


Shear will finally begin to slack off some late Friday night and into Saturday as the High Pressure ridge builds in from the west and the upper level Low cuts off just off the coast of the Carolinas just west of the developing 94L. This should allow for marginally better conditions for 94L to try to consolidate on Saturday and into Sunday and possibly develop initially into a subtropical system and making the transition to tropical as the system traverses the Gulf Stream.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#250 Postby GCANE » Fri May 25, 2012 4:34 am

Moisture advection looks good with high TPW being pulled in from the tropics.

A few hours ago, saw 5000 CAPE air being pulled in from the south.

Core temp at 1C and a little higher in altitude than 24 hrs ago.

No convective cap in place now.

Killer is the upper atmosphere with very high vorticity at 200mb.

UL winds all blowing SW to NE up to 50 knots.

Need some really strong convection to fire up to start to turn it around.

Maybe with the cap gone, high CAPE in-feed, and moderate shear; MCS's could begin to fire up.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#251 Postby AHS2011 » Fri May 25, 2012 4:48 am

You said 5000 CAPE? Wow, that's pretty damn unstable air. Already we've had Alberto this season and we're about to have Beryl form.....and it's only May. It feels like something like what would be happening in mid or late-July in a "good season". By "good season" I mean a season with a lot of developed storms.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#252 Postby GCANE » Fri May 25, 2012 5:03 am

AHS2011 wrote:You said 5000 CAPE? Wow, that's pretty damn unstable air. Already we've had Alberto this season and we're about to have Beryl form.....and it's only May. It feels like something like what would be happening in mid or late-July in a "good season". By "good season" I mean a season with a lot of developed storms.


IMHO, in general, the weather is more like July than May.

If trend continues, could see a lot of TC activity.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#253 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 25, 2012 5:39 am

Here is this morning's discussion of 94L by Rob of Crown Weather Services.

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http://www.crownweather.com/?page_id=4557

Tropical Storm Beryl Likely To Develop On Saturday & Come Ashore In Northeast Florida Near Palm Coast & Saint Augustine On Sunday Night

Friday, May 25, 2012 6:14 am

by Rob Lightbown



Invest 94-L, which is a broad area of low pressure currently located just north of Great Abaco and Grand Bahama Island in the northwestern Bahamas is currently tracking north-northeastward this morning. Currently, environmental conditions are not very favorable for additional development with very strong shear over this system. This was expected as I still do not expect this system to really get going until Saturday. I fully believe that Invest 94-L will transform into a tropical storm during the day Saturday and be named Beryl during Saturday.

So, on Saturday a ridge of high pressure is expected to expand eastward into the southwestern Atlantic and put this system into an environment that is more favorable for development as it tracks to a position about 275 to 300 miles east of Jacksonville, Florida. This eastward building high pressure system will cause this storm to turn to the west and west-southwest by Saturday night and Sunday while it intensifies into a 60 to perhaps 65 mph tropical storm. I still think it is likely that Beryl to be will come ashore in northeastern Florida very near Palm Coast and Saint Augustine on Sunday night as a 50 to 60 mph tropical storm.

Once onshore in northeast Florida I think we will see Beryl first track westward into northern Florida during Monday and into Monday evening before pulling out to the northeast near the Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina coast on Tuesday and Wednesday where it may redevelop and strengthen. By Thursday, I think we will see Beryl track to the south and east of southern New England and into the open Atlantic by next Friday.

My thinking is fully supported by most of the model guidance, including the European model which I am following quite closely.

As for actual weather associated with Beryl to be: Heavy rainfall with flooding and gusty winds to 40 to 50 mph in gusts are likely today across the northwestern Bahamas.

On Saturday, heavy rainfall with winds to tropical storm force are likely along the entire South Carolina coastline as well as across southeastern and eastern North Carolina.

On Saturday night and Sunday, heavy rainfall with tropical storm force winds with gusts to 50 to 60 mph are possible along the entire Georgia coastline as well as across northeastern Florida, including Jacksonville, Saint Augustine and Palm Coast. Heavy rainfall and tropical storm force winds will continue into Sunday night across northeast Florida as Beryl comes ashore. Heavy rain with gusty winds are likely on Monday across all of northern Florida as Beryl comes further inland across northern Florida.

Beach-goers and vacationers along the coast from northeastern Florida northward to the Georgia, South Carolina and southeastern & eastern North Carolina coastline should be advised that squalls of heavy rain along with tropical storm force winds up to 60 mph and very rough surf are likely throughout the Memorial Day weekend.
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#254 Postby northjaxpro » Fri May 25, 2012 6:20 am

I generally agree with Rob Lightbown from Crown Weather. I also like the Euro as the model of choice. Things are really going to get interesting around my neck of the woods over the Memorial Day holiday weekend. If the Euro and even the GFS are correct, we will be feeling the effects of Beryl Sunday into early Wednesday.

Hopefully the system won't be more than a 50 mph tropical cyclone, but there is a possibility it may be stronger upon its approach to the coast. This is beginning to resemble to me a Fay-like scenario we had around here in July 2008, where I measured just over 14 inches total with that slow moving storm. Since Beryl seems at this time to impact directly where I am in the Jacksonville and Northeast Florida region, I will be updating as frequently as possible the conditions as they are happening during this event. I am simply hoping that this system will go a long way to wipe out this extreme drought across my area, which is currently running 8-10 inches below the average for this time of year. Should this upcoming storm moves through and meanders slowly across North Florida as it is forecast to do early next week, we should see some very significant rainfall amounts after it is all said and done.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#255 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri May 25, 2012 6:22 am

Still under high shear but much less then yesterday. The only low I can tell is circled. however anywhere in that mass the final circ can take shape. where and when is very key. If this southern one hold then transitions vs another developing farther north. then we may see a southerly shift to the track. being more inline with the early model runs that were a little more SW motion.


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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#256 Postby ronjon » Fri May 25, 2012 6:28 am

Aric, the European model has been pretty consistent on track the last several runs bringing it in near St Augustine or even Daytona Bch. It's also been consistently the strongest of the global models in intensity - I believe down to 1003 mb on Sunday night off the NE FL coast from the latest 00z run. While I don't "hug" any one model, it's gernerally been the best in the 72-96 hr time frame. I suspect this one maybe subtropical rather than purely tropical - at least at the start.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#257 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri May 25, 2012 6:36 am

ronjon wrote:Aric, the European model has been pretty consistent on track the last several runs bringing it in near St Augustine or even Daytona Bch. It's also been consistently the strongest of the global models in intensity - I believe down to 1003 mb on Sunday night off the NE FL coast from the latest 00z run. While I don't "hug" any one model, it's gernerally been the best in the 72-96 hr time frame. I suspect this one maybe subtropical rather than purely tropical - at least at the start.


Yeah well its not tropical atm so it will start out sub tropical. As for the Euro even it yesterday and wed had shifted slightly north more to GA and SC and now is farther south back the ST aug daytona area. along with the UKMET 00z is back south. small shifts yes but makes a difference in terms of population.
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#258 Postby northjaxpro » Fri May 25, 2012 6:41 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#259 Postby NDG » Fri May 25, 2012 6:42 am

northjaxpro wrote:
ROCK wrote:I am pretty sure this is going to get named with all the vacationers on the EC beaches. I dont think the NHC will go to a TD but rather straight to a TS given how close it will be to land. I can see that happening late tommorow if it stacks some....JMO.


Shear will finally begin to slack off some late Friday night and into Saturday as the High Pressure ridge builds in from the west and the upper level Low cuts off just off the coast of the Carolinas just west of the developing 94L. This should allow for marginally better conditions for 94L to try to consolidate on Saturday and into Sunday and possibly develop initially into a subtropical system and making the transition to tropical as the system traverses the Gulf Stream.


Quit copying my lines ;)

I totally agree with you, I still don't expect much out of 94L today, as you said tonight into tomorrow is when we should see a better defined surface low as the UL trough digs in just on top of it and an ULL cuts off. I still say that it will initially have that hybrid look.
I have it at 70% chance that it will be named as a subtropical storm versus tropical storm.
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#260 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Fri May 25, 2012 7:05 am

I'm expecting Subtropical/Tropical Storm Beryl sometime tomorrow. It will become better organized throughout today though.

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