ATL: ISAAC - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5901 Postby GCANE » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:06 am

Issac is ingesting more unstable air.

CAPE = 2500 in the core

3500 on the NW and NE quads

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanaly ... sector=18#
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5902 Postby Time_Zone » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:06 am

tolakram wrote:Loop of 30 frames ending at 12:55Z, 8:55AM EDT

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/1min/inde ... height=800

Is it improving, or sucking in dry air?


Isaac has always had a bit of a fetish for dry air....not surprised to see him doing his best to eat some more.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5903 Postby hurricanes1234 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:07 am

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Impressive on satellite imagery - although nothing much has changed, in terms of intensity. This might only briefly graze hurricane status with peak winds of 75 mph. 90 mph, for me, is too aggressive, because it is difficult for a 65 mph storm that is a mess at the low levels to quickly strengthen to a strong Category 1 in a couple of days. This means that everything must come together at the last minute. Even though the possibility is definitely there for this to become a hurricane, I also think it would be on the low-end of Category 1 status, probably 80 mph for the most. Or, Isaac could quickly get its act together - in a few hours - and then explode from there, into a full-blown Category 2/minimal Category 3, which I don't see as the case, simply because it's been on the verge of exploding for days now.

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#5904 Postby rainstorm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:08 am

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/cgi-bin/latest.cgi?ir-e

thats a classic picture of dry air contamination. there is little or no moisture inflow into isaac and its surrounded by clear dry air. you can clearly see where the dry air is being sucked in. if it collapses again today during the diurnal minimum it may come in as a messy TS.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5905 Postby tolakram » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:09 am

90 frame visible loop, from first light.

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/1min/inde ... height=800
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#5906 Postby Janie2006 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:13 am

He's going to have to get his act together in a hurry simply because he's running out of prime real estate. Certainly my own forecast has busted in terms of intensity at this point, as I had expected a low-to-mid range Cat 1 by this time. I'm still not going to say that Isaac can't ramp it up, as the saying goes, but I'm not bullish about his possibilities either.
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#5907 Postby rainstorm » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:15 am

Janie2006 wrote:He's going to have to get his act together in a hurry simply because he's running out of prime real estate. Certainly my own forecast has busted in terms of intensity at this point, as I had expected a low-to-mid range Cat 1 by this time. I'm still not going to say that Isaac can't ramp it up, as the saying goes, but I'm not bullish about his possibilities either.



yea, i thought isaac would break the amazing streak of years without a major landfall.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5908 Postby tropicwatch » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:16 am

tolakram wrote:90 frame visible loop, from first light.

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/1min/inde ... height=800


Awwwwsome imagery :D
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5909 Postby HurrMark » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:17 am

It's amazing how much back and forth there is...a burst of convection, people say it's RI. A little break in convection, it's falling apart. The thing is, this is a bona fide strong TS that is approaching hurricane strength. Reconaissance has already discussed that earlier. I am not trying to nitpick or call people out, but almost every single storm goes through these cycles.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5910 Postby tolakram » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:17 am

Top down view looks a little better.

live loop: http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/ge ... umframes=5
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5911 Postby sphelps8681 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:19 am

With him still being a tropical storm ingesting dry air will he continue on wnw motion and not feel the weakness or is he close of enough that he will still be pulled toward it.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5912 Postby JtSmarts » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:21 am

HurrMark wrote:It's amazing how much back and forth there is...a burst of convection, people say it's RI. A little break in convection, it's falling apart. The thing is, this is a bona fide strong TS that is approaching hurricane strength. Reconaissance has already discussed that earlier. I am not trying to nitpick or call people out, but almost every single storm goes through these cycles.


Good post, sometimes we need to just step away from computer for awhile, but it always been this way on storm2k as long as I can remember. You might have ten straight posts which each one saying something completely opposite of the one before it :D . Anyway I think at this point we won't see a 2004/2005 type storm but one that continues to slowly organize and strengthen until landfall ala a 2003 Claudette or 2008 Dolly.
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#5913 Postby funster » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:22 am

Isaac seems to be slowly growing in size to me. Spreading out in GOM

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#5914 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:23 am

rainstorm wrote:http://www.atmos.washington.edu/cgi-bin/latest.cgi?ir-e

thats a classic picture of dry air contamination. there is little or no moisture inflow into isaac and its surrounded by clear dry air. you can clearly see where the dry air is being sucked in. if it collapses again today during the diurnal minimum it may come in as a messy TS.



I'm starting to agree with you now rainstorm. I thought I'd wake up to a hurricane, but now knows if it will ever get there....This is a strange season this year....But we should be happy if it doesn't reach hurricane strength.....Just very strange is all.....
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5915 Postby LAwxrgal » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:25 am

For obvious reasons I'd be thrilled if Isaac never reached hurricane strength. (given that the projected path goes right over my house) I'm already sick of him and want him to just dissipate.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5917 Postby Janie2006 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:28 am

JtSmarts wrote:
HurrMark wrote:It's amazing how much back and forth there is...a burst of convection, people say it's RI. A little break in convection, it's falling apart. The thing is, this is a bona fide strong TS that is approaching hurricane strength. Reconaissance has already discussed that earlier. I am not trying to nitpick or call people out, but almost every single storm goes through these cycles.


Good post, sometimes we need to just step away from computer for awhile, but it always been this way on storm2k as long as I can remember. You might have ten straight posts which each one saying something completely opposite of the one before it :D . Anyway I think at this point we won't see a 2004/2005 type storm but one that continues to slowly organize and strengthen until landfall ala a 2003 Claudette or 2008 Dolly.


I had to step away last night out of irritation because of the back and forth over each new bit of information. My point was that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a strong Cat 1 at landfall, but that the window of opportunity for anything else is beginning to close unless Isaac slows down and can shake off the issues he's having at the moment.
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#5918 Postby wxwatcher1999 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:30 am

I keep hearing about the weakness but is it going to dig down deep enough?
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5919 Postby tolakram » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:32 am

Janie2006 wrote:
JtSmarts wrote:
HurrMark wrote:It's amazing how much back and forth there is...a burst of convection, people say it's RI. A little break in convection, it's falling apart. The thing is, this is a bona fide strong TS that is approaching hurricane strength. Reconaissance has already discussed that earlier. I am not trying to nitpick or call people out, but almost every single storm goes through these cycles.


Good post, sometimes we need to just step away from computer for awhile, but it always been this way on storm2k as long as I can remember. You might have ten straight posts which each one saying something completely opposite of the one before it :D . Anyway I think at this point we won't see a 2004/2005 type storm but one that continues to slowly organize and strengthen until landfall ala a 2003 Claudette or 2008 Dolly.


I had to step away last night out of irritation because of the back and forth over each new bit of information. My point was that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a strong Cat 1 at landfall, but that the window of opportunity for anything else is beginning to close unless Isaac slows down and can shake off the issues he's having at the moment.


Well this IS a discussion board, we do this for fun. Stepping away is probably the best thing to do. :) For the most accurate up to date information that matters the NHC and local weather authorities is the place to go.
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Re: ATL: ISAAC - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5920 Postby tailgater » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:34 am

if the recon extrap. surface pressure is right, it's down to 996mb and not to the center yet. :roll:

duh please cancel my latest dumb post.
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