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#5961 Postby ROCK » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Stormcenter wrote:Just making an observation and asking a question here. I'm not comparing to the 2005 season or Katrina. Anyway did any of the models forsee her development in 2005? I honestly don't recall that any did. Jus


Katrina was sort of difficult as I recall... it was first TD10 which dissolved then turned into TD12 which finally took off.

for sure the GFS never saw Felix or Dean in the carib years ago.
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#5962 Postby Bocadude85 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:24 pm

northtxboy wrote:
Bocadude85 wrote:
Hammy wrote:latest GFS delayed development again now from Aug 30 to Sep 2...



The 12z GFS has a system developing in just 4 days....



Show us



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#5963 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:33 pm

[/quote]Here you go

http://magpara.ncep.noaa.gov/Image.php?fhr=096&image=data%2Fgfs%2F12%2Fgfs_atlantic_096_precip_p24.gif&model=gfs&area=atlantic&param=precip_p24&group=Model+Guidance&imageSize=[/quote]


This map is from 2 days ago, nothing of the sort happens on the current map


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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5964 Postby blp » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:59 pm

Ok this is long range but I do see two models in general agreement development around the islands and possibly the CMC though it is faster with development.

312 GFS 12z
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312 FIM 12z
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240 CMC 12z
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#5965 Postby Bocadude85 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:05 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:
Here you go

http://magpara.ncep.noaa.gov/Image.php?fhr=096&image=data%2Fgfs%2F12%2Fgfs_atlantic_096_precip_p24.gif&model=gfs&area=atlantic&param=precip_p24&group=Model+Guidance&imageSize=[/quote]


This map is from 2 days ago, nothing of the sort happens on the current map


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Your right just realized that. I wonder why I can get the site to update...
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5966 Postby Hammy » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:46 pm

GFS 18z is out, and it seems to be generally consistent with at least developing something around the end of the month.

Just for fun: it has three systems including a hurricane by the end of the run.
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5967 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:48 pm

Hammy wrote:GFS 18z is out, and it seems to be generally consistent with at least developing something around the end of the month.

Just for fun: it has three systems including a hurricane by the end of the run.


It actually has 4 if you count the one at 26N 52W at 384hrs and its for entertainment purposes only due to being 384hrs
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5968 Postby blp » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:52 pm

18z 312hr still has the same area over the islands as in 12z run. Looks to originate from the ITCZ, can't trace it to a pouch. Ends up in Bahamas at the end.

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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5969 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:54 pm

Four at end of run.

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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5970 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:55 pm

blp wrote:18z 312hr still has the same area over the islands as in 12z run. Looks to originate from the ITCZ, can't trace it to a pouch. Ends up in Bahamas at the end.

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/1148/08xt.jpg


It technically comes from the wave currently over Niger and should emerge in a few days
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#5971 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:01 pm

The 18z GFS shows what we should expect for September.

00z run will drop every single system. :blowup:
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#5972 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:07 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:The 18z GFS shows what we should expect for September.

00z run will drop every single system. :blowup:


actually thats 2 runs in a row that the GFS made a storm or hurricane out of the wave over Niger

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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5973 Postby Alyono » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:08 pm

cycloneye wrote:Four at end of run.

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something is horribly wrong with Cohen's maps

Note the 989mb low over the Great Lakes! I doubt it really gets that low
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5974 Postby Fego » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:08 pm

Deleted by me. :roll:
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5975 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:10 pm

Alyono wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Four at end of run.

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something is horribly wrong with Cohen's maps

Note the 989mb low over the Great Lakes! I doubt it really gets that low


Probably a phantom storm that the GFS likes to print out
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Re: Global Model Runs Discussion

#5976 Postby meriland23 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:10 pm

Look at the stark differences in models for hours 384 gfs for 06z, 12z, and 18z

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Interesting..
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#5977 Postby hurricanekid416 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:10 pm

A lot of the models have been bad with tc genesis this year
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Re: Global Mode7el Runs Discussion

#5978 Postby Fego » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:11 pm

So much for a model recently upgraded .

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#5979 Postby RL3AO » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:12 pm

Not sure why you are expecting consistency at 384 hours. Although, the fact that most GFS runs are developing storms now, instead of showing nothing is the only thing to take away.
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#5980 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:13 pm

The GFS is doing this because of a favorable MJO after 10 days is my hunch and may show these systems stronger in later runs

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