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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4381 Postby ThetaE » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:16 pm

Alyono wrote:
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ThetaE wrote:Models have done well with Matthew in the Caribbean overall, but intensification modeling of Matthew has been very wonky throughout the day today, and honestly I'm having a hard time putting much faith into model solutions right now. Matthew is undergoing some motions (cyclonic loop, stalling, etc.) that models simply can't resolve well, if at all. Until these models can come to grips with the current intensity of Matthew, much less the setup of midlattitude features as he enters the Bahamas, models should be given very low confidence. That isn't to say that what they're currently showing is wrong, but that we simply can't know how accurate it is yet.


NHC has admittedly stated on many occasions that forecasting technologies regarding intensity woefully lag behind forecasting track. That's not news. Furthermore, how many Cat. 5's do we have legit experience toward understanding RI quite that well?


well, this time the issue was NHC. Every global model was SCREAMING at this possibility. So what do they do, they STILL have this as a cat 3 hitting Cuba.

This is human error on their part. Again I ask, how can a hurricane in a low shear environment over water with heat content higher than the WPAC weaken? Just think about that regardless what the LGEM says


Yeah, the NHC is underdoing this storm's strength. The only possible thing that could make them right is that the current ERC that seems to be beginning weakens Matthew and takes long enough to allow it to drop down to cat 3 status without time to restrengthen.

Back to models, however, my point was simply that if models like the HWRF- which we know from its multiple fantasy storms is fully capable of fully representing an intense hurricane- says that this storm is going to weaken to a Cat 1-2 (which just won't happen), how can we trust its eventual output since track is dependent on intensity?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4382 Postby tolakram » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:33 pm

Looking at older GFS and Euro runs. Focus here is 0Z Sunday Oct 2nd, which was 15 minutes ago as I type this.

22:45Z IR, an hour early, is the best I can do at the moment.

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The 0Z runs on Thursday September 29th had Matthew in the following location on Oct 2nd 0Z. Which one was more correct?

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Now let's go back a full week, to the Sunday September 25th runs of both models.

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Models are crap.

All this info is available online, ignorance is no excuse. :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4383 Postby centuryv58 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:36 pm

tolakram wrote:Looking at older GFS and Euro runs. Focus here is 0Z Sunday Oct 2nd, which was 15 minutes ago as I type this.

22:45Z IR, an hour early, is the best I can do at the moment.

[im g]http://i.imgur.com/UNv04rk.jpg[/img]

The 0Z runs on Thursday September 29th had Matthew in the following location on Oct 2nd 0Z. Which one was more correct?

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/VjP2wZa.png[/img]

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/JFJd0jM.png[/img]

Now let's go back a full week, to the Sunday September 25th runs of both models.

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/9vYY837.png[/img]

[im g]http://i.imgur.com/v9jMj3M.png[/img]

Models are crap.

All this info is available online, ignorance is no excuse. :lol:


So, what's the first prize for guessing correctly? :D
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4384 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:39 pm

centuryv58 wrote:
tolakram wrote:Looking at older GFS and Euro runs. Focus here is 0Z Sunday Oct 2nd, which was 15 minutes ago as I type this.

22:45Z IR, an hour early, is the best I can do at the moment.

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/UNv04rk.jpg[/img]

The 0Z runs on Thursday September 29th had Matthew in the following location on Oct 2nd 0Z. Which one was more correct?

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/VjP2wZa.png[/img]

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/JFJd0jM.png[/img]

Now let's go back a full week, to the Sunday September 25th runs of both models.

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/9vYY837.png[/img]

[i mg]http://i.imgur.com/v9jMj3M.png[/img]

Models are crap.

All this info is available online, ignorance is no excuse. :lol:


So, what's the first prize for guessing correctly? :D


I believe Euro has been doing well in regards to both long and short term.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4385 Postby GeneratorPower » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:57 pm

The frustrating part of models...and NHC forecasts...is that there is always a 10% chance of dramatic error. So it makes planning difficult.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4386 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:02 pm

It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4387 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:04 pm

CalmBeforeStorm wrote:It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.

I guess it is making sure it is right either way by mapping out 500 paths :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4388 Postby caneman » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:11 pm

Looks to me like GFS HAS been most correct and consistent thus far.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4389 Postby Ken711 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:13 pm

CalmBeforeStorm wrote:It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.


Not according to Joe Bastardi

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 4h4 hours ago
4 straight runs gfs landfall somewhere on us coast. Euro NONE euro won sandy and Joaquin. I think it wins this too
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4390 Postby caneman » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:16 pm

Ken711 wrote:
CalmBeforeStorm wrote:It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.


Not according to Joe Bastardi

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 4h4 hours ago
4 straight runs gfs landfall somewhere on us coast. Euro NONE euro won sandy and Joaquin. I think it wins this too


Not this year. Euro hasn't been very good.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4391 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:19 pm

Ken711 wrote:
CalmBeforeStorm wrote:It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.


Not according to Joe Bastardi

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 4h4 hours ago
4 straight runs gfs landfall somewhere on us coast. Euro NONE euro won sandy and Joaquin. I think it wins this too

I don't need
Joe B. to back me up when I say that from the spot that it had Matt turning north the Euro has been all over the place in both track and speed. Just look at the final solutions for its last two runs for just some of the evidence.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4392 Postby SouthernBreeze » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:19 pm

Would anyone here know if current satellite blackout will affect data for model runs?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4393 Postby got ants? » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:19 pm

In my 58 years, I've never seen a hurrican travel 700 miles west, and make another beeline 700 miles north.

How in the hell can any of these models defy logic?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4394 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:20 pm

Who cares what model did what or when or better...last two pages are nothing but model wars and no analysis
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4395 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:22 pm

got ants? wrote:In my 58 years, I've never seen a hurrican travel 700 miles west, and make another beeline 700 miles north.

How in the hell can any of these models defy logic?



It's the atmosphere..the ingredients to turn thi s are there...models are spot on..but it really needs to turn like now if doesn't then we Are going to be nervous in florida
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4396 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:24 pm

Spare a thought for all the pro-mets putting out advisories clutching to the EC's former reputation of finding a solution for the OTS.
The EC-EPS Modelling was split from the get-go (ctrl to the left)... (ops to right).. a big split indeed.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4397 Postby otowntiger » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:26 pm

Ken711 wrote:
CalmBeforeStorm wrote:It's impossible for the euro to be right from now through the short and long term because it's literally been everywhere in both position and timeframe.


Not according to Joe Bastardi

Joe Bastardi ‏@BigJoeBastardi 4h4 hours ago
4 straight runs gfs landfall somewhere on us coast. Euro NONE euro won sandy and Joaquin. I think it wins this too

Sooo... is Bastardi actually saying no landfall???? I am surprised. He usually takes the more sensational route. I think that may mean we are in trouble. :wink: :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4398 Postby caneman » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:28 pm

SEASON_CANCELED wrote:Who cares what model did what or when or better...last two pages are nothing but model wars and no analysis


I don't see it as modeling wars in as much as which model to trust.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4399 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:30 pm

caneman wrote:
SEASON_CANCELED wrote:Who cares what model did what or when or better...last two pages are nothing but model wars and no analysis


I don't see it as modeling wars in as much as which model to trust.



Imo trust none and average them out like the nhc
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Models

#4400 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:40 pm

Given the satellite issues, the 00Z runs will be all garbage, right?
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