ATL: MARIA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1921 Postby Hurrilurker » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:38 pm

If you look at the St. Croix webcam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2CzQclKQc) you can see things are rapidly taking a turn for the worse. The cool thing about this camera is you can wind it back to see the progression. Just 30 minutes ago you can see it's a little windy and there are some waves lapping on the sidewalk, but nothing major. Compare to now (5:20 Pacific Time) and you can see the wind is now howling (intermittently for now depending on bands passing through) and visibility is decreasing. The camera is being buffeted on its mount and the amount of water pushing over the dock is increasing. I have a feeling that come morning light, a lot of those boats anchored in the harbor are going to be washed out to sea or piled up on shore. And bear in mind this camera is on the north side of the island.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1922 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:38 pm

What the .....


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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1923 Postby mrbagyo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:39 pm

HDGator wrote:Maria seems to be on rails towards the TJUA NEXRAD site in PR. Does anyone know what wind speed these are designed to withstand?

Any chance Maria poses a threat to the radar site?


if it's a direct hit to the radar and if Maria produce some unimaginable wind gust - you can imagine what Haiyan did to the Guiuan Radar - totally blown off radome - rated to 500kph (maybe an exageration, maybe not)
according to a PAGASA technician
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1924 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:40 pm

That bright orange eye on WV imagery is eerie looking.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1925 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:41 pm

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1926 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:41 pm

GCANE wrote:What the .....


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CMG seems to have wrapped almost around the eye if that is matched to Dvorak colors. Intermittent CDG as well.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1927 Postby PTPatrick » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:42 pm

Man it's going to be a very long night in st croix. I can't imagine going thru a cat 5 175 mph storm eyewall at night, and the devastation you'd wake up to. I have done night hurricanes before and daytime ones and it's just no comparison.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1928 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:43 pm

PTPatrick wrote:Man it's going to be a very long night in st croix. I can't imagine going thru a cat 5 175 mph storm eyewall at night, and the devastation you'd wake up to. I have done night hurricanes before and daytime ones and it's just no comparison.


will be morning by the time the eye wall comes ashore.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1929 Postby dizzyfish » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:45 pm

PTPatrick wrote:Man it's going to be a very long night in st croix. I can't imagine going thru a cat 5 175 mph storm eyewall at night, and the devastation you'd wake up to. I have done night hurricanes before and daytime ones and it's just no comparison.


You would be able to sleep?! :eek:
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1930 Postby Exalt » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:45 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
GCANE wrote:What the .....




CMG seems to have wrapped almost around the eye if that is matched to Dvorak colors. Intermittent CDG as well.


Correct. Much deeper convection than Irma, may I say. I'd throw it out there that it would be completely possible for that 168kt SMFR reading to be verifiable.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1931 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:48 pm

Incredible
Saw the 3 three max rain-rates on recon.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1932 Postby PTPatrick » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:48 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
PTPatrick wrote:Man it's going to be a very long night in st croix. I can't imagine going thru a cat 5 175 mph storm eyewall at night, and the devastation you'd wake up to. I have done night hurricanes before and daytime ones and it's just no comparison.


will be morning by the time the eye wall comes ashore.


Yeah it'll be close, 10 mph and 100 miles away, I guess I was thinking in mountain time it'll barely be day break when eye hits. But in that time zone they should be a couple hours into morning. Either way it'll suck and be a bad night.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1933 Postby Hurrilurker » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:48 pm

Looks like a lot of St. Croix just lost power based on the webcam. Probably just anything with a solar panel and battery still operating. That appears to be a few street lights and the webcam itself. In the daylight shots you can see a bunch of solar panels on poles in the shot.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1934 Postby RL3AO » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:48 pm

The center has drifted a little north. Probably a just the inner eyewall wobbling around the newer one forming. Probably bad news for St Croix and Vieques.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1935 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:49 pm

GCANE wrote:Incredible
Saw the 3 three max rain-rates on recon.

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EWRC seems to be in full swing.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1936 Postby Ken711 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:50 pm

GCANE wrote:Incredible
Saw the 3 three max rain-rates on recon.

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Does that look slightly south of the NHC track?
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1937 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:50 pm

That warm band in the CDO is weird.

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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1938 Postby 'CaneFreak » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:50 pm

Yes it is. A very intelligent professor at MIT by the name of Dr. Kerry Emanuel came up with a formula to calculate it. It is based on a lot of very intense thermodynamic equations but basically what he did was calculate what a perfectly efficient engine (hurricane) could potentially produce with no hindrances from shear, mid-level dry air, etc. That map that was posted is the result of crunching all of those equations. It is approaching it now.

galaxy401 wrote:
'CaneFreak wrote:It's getting very close to its max potential intensity so this may be why it has stabilized.


Today is the first time I have ever heard of this term. Is "max potential intensity" legit?
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1939 Postby bob rulz » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:51 pm

I remember that map being posted for Irma and Irma surpassed the theoretical maximum in that region.

Seems like it can produce a ballpark estimate but is not an exact science.
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Re: ATL: MARIA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1940 Postby sikkar » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:51 pm

Eye now visible with short range radar. Impressive. It's like knowing there's a comet striking you in few hours and nothing you can do about it...
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