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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2201 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:00 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:its about to bomb out.. cat 4 is well within the realm.

major possibly tonight..


Agreed, I actually think this could peak at cat 5 briefly before weakening some due to less heat content and frictional effects from land. It's interesting too how it appears to be "shedding" the banding and taking on more of a buzzsaw look. Usually precedes a period of insane RI from my experience..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2202 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:00 pm

bouy 42002 is in the path of the NE eyewall maybe.. keep an eye out..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2203 Postby meriland29 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:01 pm

I don't usually ask questions ahead of the game, especially like this..but seeing as Harvey is doing the same, I may as well ask. It seems a solid 3 is likely/ possible 4, but this is bump up from the anticipated 'near 3' just a few hours ago. Do you think that Harvey has the time and strength to surpass a 4 come landfall, or near?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2204 Postby SunnyThoughts » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:01 pm

NWgeorgiastormdawg wrote:Getting stronger and stronger. Recon found flight level winds over 100mph recently.

If that is the case, this may be a major tonight, no idea what tomorrow will hold as far as intensification goes.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2205 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:01 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:its about to bomb out.. cat 4 is well within the realm.

major possibly tonight..


Yep I think that was likely as soon as it pulled a nice CD and tucked the circulation up, and a cat-4 I think is now probable. Its got enough time to make a run at 5 IF internal mechanisms are in its favour. I'd not say thats likely at this point, but don't discount it!

You 2004-2008 veterans should know how this is going to end in terms of strength...
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2206 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:02 pm

look at those hot towers..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2207 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:03 pm

Euro shows landfall right near Corpus Christi or just to the north of it... would be very bad if it made landfall there and stalled several days with half of the eyewall over water, would be very slow weakening and hours of hurricane force winds.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory at 1 PM CDT

#2208 Postby collegebroke » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:05 pm

txwatcher91 wrote:I’m not familiar with the Texas coastline, but based off the current NHC forecast, it seems the center would pass just north of Corpus Christi? Are there any other large cities near there, or would Houston be the next really large city?

The area between Corpus and Houston is growing rapidly. It used to be mostly rural but in the last 5-10 years has grown considerably. The counties (population) along the coast are Victoria (87,000), Jackson (14,000), Matagorda (36,000), Brazoria (313,00) and Galveston (291,000). Just to the northwest of Brazoria is Fort Bend (585,000) and north of Galveston is Harris county (4,020,000). The really good thing about the development in the Brazoria/Fort Bend area is that the developers include a really good system of flood plain management with well maintained levees; but no matter what, if it hits in Corpus, experience has been that there's only so much rain that can be handled on the North side of the storm. That's why I've been lurking here for years and am grateful to all the mets here.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2209 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:06 pm

12z Euro shifted a little to the right, now between Corpus Christi and Port O'Connor, we are getting a good consensus now for landfall, now within 48 hrs, it might still end up closer to Port O'Connor, IMO.

Meanwhile the first squall are about to affect S Padre Island.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2210 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:06 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:look at those hot towers..


Yeah your going to get some big gusts in those hot towers and its going to really help to mix the higher winds down towards the surface.

People now MUST prepare if you haven't already, this is rapidly becoming one of those life and death type situations...and no I don't think that is overdoing it!
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2211 Postby 1900hurricane » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:10 pm

Looks like Harvey may be transitioning from more of a banding type storm to one that more CDO dominant. This may slow the deepening down in the near term, but could set the stage for some more noteworthy strengthening later.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2212 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:10 pm

On the maps I have, Euro stalls this from 48-72 hours with literally no movement I can see. Half of the eye looks like it would still be over water... That would be very bad.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2213 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:10 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:look at those hot towers..


Yeap, circulation is getting so high that Brownsville's radar is starting to catch the top of the eyewall's circulation!!

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2214 Postby Nimbus » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:11 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:bouy 42002 is in the path of the NE eyewall maybe.. keep an eye out..



The winds are starting to come more from the north, changed from 66 degrees down to 61 in the last hour.
Could track east of there if the trend continues?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion: Special Advisory up to 85 mph

#2215 Postby butch » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:11 pm

ROCK wrote:anyone have Jeffs update?


Here you go Rock:

Hurricane Warnings and Storm Surge Warnings are up for portions of the coast of Texas as rapidly intensifying Tropical Storm Harvey heads north-northwest at 10 mph over the Gulf of Mexico. Harvey was still a tropical depression at 10 pm CDT Wednesday night, but has explosively intensified in the early morning hours, and is almost certain to be a hurricane later today. If you live on the coast of Texas, please heed the advice of local emergency management officials, and get out today if you live in an evacuation zone. Tropical storm-force winds may arrive along the coast of Texas as early as 8 am CDT Friday, making evacuation difficult thereafter, according to the latest National Hurricane Center (NHC) forecast.

Harvey rapidly strengthening

At 6:42 am CDT Thursday, an Air Force hurricane hunter plane found that Harvey had formed a partial eyewall, with a 986 mb pressure. By 8:04 am CDT, the eye had completely closed off, and the pressure had fallen another 2 mb, to 984 mb. By 10 am CDT, the pressure had fallen another 2 mb, to 982 mb. This is the central pressure that a Category 1 hurricane typically has, but the Hurricane Hunters measured top surface winds of just 65 mph. It takes up to six hours for a tropical cyclone's winds to respond to a fall in pressure, so I expect that Harvey will be a hurricane by the 4 pm CDT Thursday advisory.

Conditions in the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday morning were very favorable for intensification. Satellite images showed that Harvey was a large storm, whose high-level cirrus clouds were already spreading over extreme southern Texas. Harvey had an intense ring of heavy thunderstorms surrounding the eye, and solid low-level spiral bands were forming. The eye was just beginning to appear on both visible and infrared imagery at 10 am CDT. High cirrus clouds streaming away from the center showed the presence of upper-level outflow to the north and east, which was ventilating the storm and allowing intensification to occur. Wind shear was light, 5 – 10 knots, which is favorable for intensification. The atmosphere had a high mid-level relative humidity of 70%, and the ocean was very warm, with sea surface temperatures (SSTs) of 30.5°C (87°F.) Warm waters extended deep into the ocean, providing a large reservoir of heat for the storm to draw upon. The outer bands of Harvey are visible on Brownsville long-range radar.

Intensity forecast for Harvey

Now that Harvey has a well-formed structure, I don’t see any impediments to it intensifying right up until landfall. I expect Harvey will be a Category 2 hurricane by Friday morning and a Category 3 hurricane by Friday night. Harvey probably does not have enough time to become a Category 4 storm, though we cannot rule that possibility out yet.

The current favorable conditions for development will remain in place through Friday night, according to the 12Z Thursday run of the SHIPS model. Wind shear will remain light to moderate, and the atmosphere will be moist. SSTs will remain near 30°C (86°F), and warm waters will extend to considerable depth, with a total ocean heat content of 50 – 80 kilojoules per square centimeter. From Thursday night into Friday, Harvey will get an extra boost in energy as it passes over a warm-core eddy that broke off from the Loop Current. The oceanic heat content within the eddy exceeds 75 kilojoules per square centimeter, enough to support rapid intensification. However, the heat content of this eddy is not as high as the heat content available to Hurricane Katrina of 2005, when it moved over a similar warm-core eddy.

This morning’s runs of our top intensity models—the HWRF, LGEM, COAMPS-TC, and DSHIPS—all predicted a Category 2 or 3 hurricane at landfall.

Track Forecast for Harvey

The 0Z and 6Z Thursday operational runs of our five best models for predicting tropical cyclone tracks—the GFS, European, HWRF, UKMET, and HMON (which replaced the old GFDL model this year)—all predicted that Harvey would make landfall along the central Texas coast within about 100 miles of Corpus Christi on Friday evening or Saturday morning. However, the ridge of high pressure steering Harvey will weaken at that time, resulting in a collapse of the steering currents and a slow and erratic motion for the storm. As a result, Harvey is expected to remain stalled out over coastal Texas through the weekend, dumping torrential rains along the way. One particularly worrisome possibility is that the center of Harvey will re-emerge over the Gulf of Mexico early next week, allowing the storm to re-intensify and dump even more heavy rains along the coast.

Impacts

Wind: The 10 am CDT Wind Speed Probability Forecast from NHC calls for the greatest chances of hurricane-force winds in Port O’Connor and Rockport--about a 65% chance. Corpus Christi has a 45% chance, Galveston a 14% chance, and Brownsville an 11% chance.

Rain: All of our top models are predicting that Harvey will dump more than ten inches of rain in a 5-day period in coastal Texas near where the center makes landfall. Some areas will likely receive 2 – 3 feet of rain over a 7-day period. Harvey has the potential to cause very serious flooding in such highly populated, flood-prone regions as the Austin-San Antonio corridor and the Houston metro area.

Storm Surge: Harvey’s peak storm surge of 6 – 10 feet is not expected to be as large or as devastating as Hurricane Ike’s in 2008, but will be very dangerous nonetheless. The highest storm surge on record at Corpus Christi is 12 feet, which occurred during the Atlantic-Gulf Hurricane of 1919.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#2216 Postby cainjamin » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:12 pm

Looks like a dry slot from the SE might have wrapped it's way into the circulation. Could at least slow down the rate of intensification until it mixes it out.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#2217 Postby txwatcher91 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:15 pm

With the Euro stalling this out near or just north of Corpus Christi, something to watch out for that models likely won't pick up is for the circulation to crawl slowly up the coast instead of moving inland, due to the frictional effects of land and extremely weak steering currents. This will not be modeled but is a distinct possibility.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#2218 Postby KWT » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:17 pm

txwatcher91 wrote:With the Euro stalling this out near or just north of Corpus Christi, something to watch out for that models likely won't pick up is for the circulation to crawl slowly up the coast instead of moving inland, due to the frictional effects of land and extremely weak steering currents. This will not be modeled but is a distinct possibility.


That will be very interesting to observe, these systems do have a habit of bending to the right on coming into landfall from frictional effects as it hits the shore. I'm not expert on this but its worth watching.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#2219 Postby Hammy » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:20 pm

KWT wrote:
txwatcher91 wrote:With the Euro stalling this out near or just north of Corpus Christi, something to watch out for that models likely won't pick up is for the circulation to crawl slowly up the coast instead of moving inland, due to the frictional effects of land and extremely weak steering currents. This will not be modeled but is a distinct possibility.


That will be very interesting to observe, these systems do have a habit of bending to the right on coming into landfall from frictional effects as it hits the shore. I'm not expert on this but its worth watching.


Isn't this something similar to what Bonnie in 1998 did in NC?
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#2220 Postby newtotex » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:20 pm

It's not going to be great if a major hurricane hits the Corpus area. That's around 440,000 in the city and over 500,000 in the metro area. If a major hurricane just parks over the area all of that wind/rain is going to be awful
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