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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3961 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:15 am

chaser1 wrote::eek: What is alarming, is an apparent recognition by all 0Z global models affirming greater W. Atlantic height rises then previously forcast, and a rapidly retreating deep E. CONUS short-wave. Right now, I'm far less concerned about any models particular 7 day forecast solution than i am about the models continuing to advertise this synoptic pattern which seemingly increases ridging over the Conus AND the West Atlantic. With that pattern in place a lot may ride on nearer term motion and the slightest deviation to Irma's forward speed and track. Those variables may have significant implications on where Irma may well end up. I'm pretty convinced there's a serious threat to the N. Leewards and Virgin Islands. For now, I'll leave the various models to play landfall roulette with this hot potato but I'll tell you this much.... with strong high pressure in the mid levels showing signs of quickly filling in the wake of a fast retreating E. CONUS short wave I believe the 500 mb pattern will ultimately bridge. Therefore, at some point I believe the net result will cause Irma to reach the Gulf of Mexico. Who she visits along the way or thereafter will be the devils' details to sort out.


Good post and analysis chaser1

Bottom line : The odds are increasing rapidly now that the East Coast of the United States, in particular, the Southeast U.S. coast from Florida to SC/NC, will be impacted by the landfall of a potentially devastating major Cat 4/5 Irma within the next 7-8 days.

Time is precious folks. The preps for supplies, and or other plans you have or need to have done is NOW!!!
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3962 Postby forecasterjack » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:24 am

The 0Z ECMWF shifted squarely towards the GFS idea of a landfalling major hurricane in NC. Just one deterministic run means little at this point, but it does make 12Z yesterday look like a bit of a fluke. It also shows that the GFS has been consistently onto a track that makes landfall in the Mid Atlantic, while the ECMWF has been erratic. Unusual to have it that way.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3963 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:34 am

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chaser1 wrote::eek: What is alarming, is an apparent recognition by all 0Z global models affirming greater W. Atlantic height rises then previously forcast, and a rapidly retreating deep E. CONUS short-wave. Right now, I'm far less concerned about any models particular 7 day forecast solution than i am about the models continuing to advertise this synoptic pattern which seemingly increases ridging over the Conus AND the West Atlantic. With that pattern in place a lot may ride on nearer term motion and the slightest deviation to Irma's forward speed and track. Those variables may have significant implications on where Irma may well end up. I'm pretty convinced there's a serious threat to the N. Leewards and Virgin Islands. For now, I'll leave the various models to play landfall roulette with this hot potato but I'll tell you this much.... with strong high pressure in the mid levels showing signs of quickly filling in the wake of a fast retreating E. CONUS short wave I believe the 500 mb pattern will ultimately bridge. Therefore, at some point I believe the net result will cause Irma to reach the Gulf of Mexico. Who she visits along the way or thereafter will be the devils' details to sort out.


Good post and analysis chaser1

Bottom line : The odds are increasing rapidly now that the East Coast of the United States, in particular, the Southeast U.S. coast from Florida to SC/NC, will be impacted by the landfall of a potentially devastating major Cat 4/5 Irma within the next 7-8 days.

Time is precious folks. The preps for supplies, and or other plans you have or need to have done is NOW!!!
good time to review your shutters, make sure your hardware is in order, i had the panels up for matthew so i know everything is good to go, I encourage you to check everything now. start the generator today, if it doesn't start then you have time to get it serviced on tuesday...if you dont get irma then congrats but we are in a very active pattern and as a south floridain our season goes all the way until nov 1...wilma, matthew..start stockpiling the water, its cheap and if you dont need it you will drink it...dont be the person at the store next week looking at a bare shelf..positive vibes to gustywind, msbee, cycloneye and all others in the islands and bahama chain...i was in st martin and anguilla last year and if you ever want to see some serious bad ass wooden hurricane shutters go there, the older buildings have them and they are at least an inch thick
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3964 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:42 am

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Huge scary W shift of the TVCN consensus... NHC typically follows TVCN consensus...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3965 Postby USTropics » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:56 am

I'm checking out all of the ECMWF ensembles right now, half way through I can tell you there is a large shift to the west (including a few into the GOM). I'll have a post in about 30 minutes with a breakdown.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3966 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:57 am

06z GFS... 96 hours... Slightly W of 00z by @12miles... Likely Cat 4/5 at 930 mb...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3967 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:00 am

06z GFS... 108 hours... About same spot as 00z... Likely Cat 4/5 at 932 mb... HP stronger on 06z...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3968 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 am

06z GFS... 120 hours... Slightly NE of 00z, maybe 10-15 miles... Likely close to Cat 5 at 926 mb...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3969 Postby KWT » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 am

That really is getting VERY close to Florida now, only going to need a slight timing shift to send a 4/5 right into Florida and my gut is the models will need to keep shifting westwards as this WSW motion continues a little longer than planned (usually that is the case).

Whoever said Florida is safe is simply stupid, did Harvey not teach people anything?

Also, that is some pretty exceptional power being forecasted for the Bahamas!
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3970 Postby tgenius » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:07 am

Not what I wanted to wake up to... still early but think I'm gonna buy a few USB battery banks to power my stuff tomorrow if it keeps up.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3971 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:10 am

06z GFS... 144 hours... Slightly NE of 00z, maybe 10 miles... Slow crawl just E of Central Bahamas... Trough retreating quickly...Likely Cat 5 at 903 mb...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3972 Postby weathaguyry » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:11 am

Trough definitely deeper than 0z though...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3973 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:11 am

Overnight model trends are what I was fearing. :eek:

Hopefully we start to see some East trends real soon!
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3974 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:12 am

KWT wrote:That really is getting VERY close to Florida now, only going to need a slight timing shift to send a 4/5 right into Florida and my gut is the models will need to keep shifting westwards as this WSW motion continues a little longer than planned (usually that is the case).

Whoever said Florida is safe is simply stupid, did Harvey not teach people anything?

Also, that is some pretty exceptional power being forecasted for the Bahamas!


to be fair naive might be a little better description.. :D
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3975 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:12 am

weathaguyry wrote:Trough definitely deeper than 0z though...

Yep, hopefully it is further east this run.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3976 Postby KWT » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:14 am

Once again GFS going sub 900mbs, its been pretty consistent with this and that is very worrying. It should be noted that the models do tend to overdo intensities of system lifting northwards towards the subtropics BUT clearly this has got very supportive conditions aloft so whilst unlikely you probably can't totally rule out something similar.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3977 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:14 am

USTropics wrote:I'm checking out all of the ECMWF ensembles right now, half way through I can tell you there is a large shift to the west (including a few into the GOM). I'll have a post in about 30 minutes with a breakdown.
this makes perfect sense actually, nhc is giving us a lead up to what is coming down the road, they don't go out to 168 hours but its pretty clear what they are thinking in the latest disco...lets see if they continue at 11
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3978 Postby weathaguyry » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:15 am

TheStormExpert wrote:Overnight model trends are what I was fearing. :eek:

Hopefully we start to see some East trends real soon!


Trends east would bring it back into the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast, which is not a good thing
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Models

#3979 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:16 am

06z GFS... 150 hours... @Same spot... Just E of Central Bahamas moving NW... Trough retreating quickly...Cat 5 at 899mb, :eek: WOW!!!... Looks like another CONUS landfall??
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#3980 Postby Blown Away » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:18 am

06z GFS... 162 hours... Just SE/Slower than 00z... Just E of Central Bahamas moving slowly NW... Trough retreating quickly...Cat 5 at 894mb, that's amazing!!!... Looks like another CONUS landfall??
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