ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5481 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:51 pm

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CryHavoc wrote:
psyclone wrote:Harvey had skeptics the whole time as he steadily climbed the ladder. I recall the "ragged" adjective being used 24 hours ago simply because the IR cloud tops warmed due to the sun. This storm steadily intensified (with some spurts tossed in) for 48 hours. it was remarkable persistent, relentless development. I am a believer in visible sat pics during the day and central pressure readings 24 hours a day (smoothed out) when trying to gauge development.


He also had people saying he was going to go Cat 5. There will always be a range of forecasts in this forum, and usually users either trend toward downplaying a system or hyping the hell out of it.


that is a very valid point. so the net effect is, for those paying close attention, you can really figure out who to pay attention to and who to disregard in future storms. it's how one can extract value from these forums going forward, especially if a storm is threatening your area..

My philosophy on my forum posts is that I rarely post intensity/track forecasts anymore. Instead, I try to give a general prediction of strengthening/weakening, and give forum members and guests the tips I have learned through my training/studying about how to stay safe in a storm. I don't care about nailing the perfect landfall intensity, pressure, etc, although a good competition can be fun if lives aren't on the line. But in a storm like this, lives ARE on the line, and my concern is getting useful information where it needs to go. This forum is very, very good for that; we can hear from a wide variety of people. Promet, government employees, first responders, and hobbyists who know more than I hope to learn in a lifetime.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5482 Postby txwatcher91 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:52 pm

I'm thankful that Harvey never made it sub 920 and 160mph winds like I thought it would, the EWRC prevented it... but at the same time it was intensifying at landfall which can oftentimes be worse than a slightly stronger hurricane that has peaked or is weakening too. I wouldn't be surprised if this had some 140mph sustained winds in the NE eyewall as it made landfall, this was probably one of the best IR/visible hurricanes I've seen in the Atlantic with the perfect, large eye and symmetrical CDO. Prayers and thoughts to all who are affected by Harvey...
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5483 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:52 pm

This is not going to restrengthen again, correct? Please, tell me this is going to stay over land. :eek:
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5484 Postby Dave C » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:55 pm

On you tube there is some excellent clips from Live storms media, they got that car wash and blue shed. Severe amount of damage seen in those clips all from Rockport.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5485 Postby hd44 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:57 pm

tarheelprogrammer wrote:This is not going to restrengthen again, correct? Please, tell me this is going to stay over land. :eek:


Some modest re-intensification possible... not much. Too much upwelling.Could it become a cat 1 again I would say yes.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5486 Postby Dave C » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:58 pm

txwatcher91 wrote:I'm thankful that Harvey never made it sub 920 and 160mph winds like I thought it would, the EWRC prevented it... but at the same time it was intensifying at landfall which can oftentimes be worse than a slightly stronger hurricane that has peaked or is weakening too. I wouldn't be surprised if this had some 140mph sustained winds in the NE eyewall as it made landfall, this was probably one of the best IR/visible hurricanes I've seen in the Atlantic with the perfect, large eye and symmetrical CDO. Prayers and thoughts to all who are affected by Harvey...

Lots of lightning reported at landfall indicating deep convection to help mix down strongest winds.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY: Observations,Web Cams, Local NWS Statements Texas / Louisiana

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5488 Postby Steve » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:02 pm

sbcc wrote:
Not intending to bash, but Ryan Maue with the cherry pick. I'm kind of getting tired of those guys and particularly their obnoxious non weather tweets.


Well, if you think he's taking credit for something he shouldn't then by all means call it to his attention. If you find the "non weather" tweets obnoxious, you can always choose not to view his Twitter feed or websites, thereby reducing his traffic and revenue. You both have freedom of speech and freedom of choice.


For sure. I love those guys as weather guys so I deal with them. It was a self pat. I'm not bagging the call. Most of us way back in this thread probably said the same thing. But speaking of the ECMWF, everyone in S and SE TX should run it and be mindful of the hazards in your area. If it's correct, second landfall at least a solid TS that moves up north through areas already dealing with it. 4-5 days of wind, rain, intermittent power issues, flash flooding, river flooding etc.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5489 Postby tatertawt24 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:06 pm

A once-in-a-lifetime video still (I think, but I don't know which video it was taken from yet) was captured from the eye last night: Stadium effect from the ground, lightning in the eyewall, and an eye clear enough to see the stars.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5490 Postby Frank P » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:13 pm

tarheelprogrammer wrote:This is not going to restrengthen again, correct? Please, tell me this is going to stay over land. :eek:


I would say no, not from any meteorological viewpoint, but only because I would find that very OFFENSIVE... :spam:
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5491 Postby davidiowx » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:17 pm

Does anyone have any reports out of the Key Allegro area? Kinda concerned about that area and have some friends with beach houses down there and they can't get any info.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5492 Postby ava_ati » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:28 pm

davidiowx wrote:Does anyone have any reports out of the Key Allegro area? Kinda concerned about that area and have some friends with beach houses down there and they can't get any info.


Seeing it's location probably not good, Timmer just tweeted this
 https://twitter.com/ReedTimmerAccu/status/901512714438266881


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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5493 Postby storm_in_a_teacup » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:29 pm

tatertawt24 wrote:A once-in-a-lifetime video still (I think, but I don't know which video it was taken from yet) was captured from the eye last night: Stadium effect from the ground, lightning in the eyewall, and an eye clear enough to see the stars.

Image


Something about it seems fake or at least composited to me. Perhaps that the stars and the lightning are equally well exposed. I would expect the clouds to be overexposed if the stars are well exposed. This is me speaking as an astrophysics grad student...stars are many orders of magnitude fainter than a nearby lightning flash. Perhaps it is a composite photo.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5494 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:32 pm

Harvey has claimed the life of at least one person in Rockport Texas according to a county Judge - CNN
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5495 Postby WAcyclone » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:37 pm

storm_in_a_teacup wrote:
tatertawt24 wrote:A once-in-a-lifetime video still (I think, but I don't know which video it was taken from yet) was captured from the eye last night: Stadium effect from the ground, lightning in the eyewall, and an eye clear enough to see the stars.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/m ... f1f7e1.jpg


Something about it seems fake or at least composited to me. Perhaps that the stars and the lightning are equally well exposed. I would expect the clouds to be overexposed if the stars are well exposed. This is me speaking as an astrophysics grad student...stars are many orders of magnitude fainter than a nearby lightning flash. Perhaps it is a composite photo.


He took a picture of the camera's screen with some data about ISO, F-number etc.:

 https://twitter.com/SimonStormRider/status/901465667823599617


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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5496 Postby davidiowx » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:46 pm

ava_ati wrote:
davidiowx wrote:Does anyone have any reports out of the Key Allegro area? Kinda concerned about that area and have some friends with beach houses down there and they can't get any info.


Seeing it's location probably not good, Timmer just tweeted this
[tweet]


Yeah that's my concern as well..
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#5497 Postby RachelAnna » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:49 pm

swampdude wrote:I hope that many of my fellow Texans do not drop their guard now that Harvey's immediate danger is passing. The danger will continue for most of the next week as the intense rains dump the Gulf moisture on Texas and parts of Louisiana. Freshwater flooding will continue as streams and rivers try to send their waters back to the Gulf. Prayers for the folks in and around Rockport and Port O'Conner. Keep your guard up, Texas!! 8-)


This is the issue I'm already seeing just NW of Houston. Friends and neighbors are making plans to go to parties tonight thinking we are done and Harvey is all hype. So frustrating.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#5498 Postby Blinhart » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:51 pm

CryHavoc wrote:
psyclone wrote:Harvey had skeptics the whole time as he steadily climbed the ladder. I recall the "ragged" adjective being used 24 hours ago simply because the IR cloud tops warmed due to the sun. This storm steadily intensified (with some spurts tossed in) for 48 hours. it was remarkable persistent, relentless development. I am a believer in visible sat pics during the day and central pressure readings 24 hours a day (smoothed out) when trying to gauge development.


He also had people saying he was going to go Cat 5. There will always be a range of forecasts in this forum, and usually users either trend toward downplaying a system or hyping the hell out of it.


I am one of those that is a pessimist when it comes to Tropical Systems, that way I am not surprised by what comes of it. I rather be over prepared than under prepared. With saying that we have another week or so of this system.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#5499 Postby Alyono » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:52 pm

RachelAnna wrote:
swampdude wrote:I hope that many of my fellow Texans do not drop their guard now that Harvey's immediate danger is passing. The danger will continue for most of the next week as the intense rains dump the Gulf moisture on Texas and parts of Louisiana. Freshwater flooding will continue as streams and rivers try to send their waters back to the Gulf. Prayers for the folks in and around Rockport and Port O'Conner. Keep your guard up, Texas!! 8-)


This is the issue I'm already seeing just NW of Houston. Friends and neighbors are making plans to go to parties tonight thinking we are done and Harvey is all hype. So frustrating.


those may receive Darwin Awards. More rainbands are likely tonight, which could lead to significant flooding
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Hurricane - Discussion

#5500 Postby RachelAnna » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:55 pm

Alyono wrote:
RachelAnna wrote:
swampdude wrote:I hope that many of my fellow Texans do not drop their guard now that Harvey's immediate danger is passing. The danger will continue for most of the next week as the intense rains dump the Gulf moisture on Texas and parts of Louisiana. Freshwater flooding will continue as streams and rivers try to send their waters back to the Gulf. Prayers for the folks in and around Rockport and Port O'Conner. Keep your guard up, Texas!! 8-)


This is the issue I'm already seeing just NW of Houston. Friends and neighbors are making plans to go to parties tonight thinking we are done and Harvey is all hype. So frustrating.


those may receive Darwin Awards. More rainbands are likely tonight, which could lead to significant flooding


Thank you! I have a friend who is calling me
"Silly"' for not venturing out to her house. No thanks.
I'll stay silly and dry at home!
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