ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[WeatherEmperor]

Do you have any friends in the area with flat-bottom boats?

On another note, do you guys think the Navy will deploy a couple of ships and start using RHIBs to assist with CG/FD/PD water rescues?

I am gonna call my brother right now. He knows a few people might have a boat


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If so, have them call 713-881-3100. They do say they need to have life vests, etc all.

OMG thank you so much for the phone number!!! I was about to find a way to fly to TX as stupid ad that sounds and get him out myself. So heartbreaking. Calling right now


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[Hurricane Andrew]

They are asking if you can help with rescues please call 713-881-3100

If I had a boat and a car, I'd go down there myself. I urge any S2K members with the means to help, please do so. Now is a time to pull together for each other, and for the community.

[Hurricane Andrew]

The poster "Irak" is down in that 25 inch zone...

Has anyone sent them a PM? Hope they are alright...25" of rain is absolutely mind boggling.

[artist]

In areas such as this that do experience flooding, why don't they have rescue grids set up and citizen resources coordinating with public officials, in the oft chance such flooding again occurs so private citizens with boats, helis, etc. can check these areas methodically and no one gets left behind?

[Hurricane Andrew]

In areas such as this that do experience flooding, why don't they have rescue grids set up and citizen resources coordinating with public officials, in the oft chance such flooding again occurs so private citizens with boats, helis, etc. can check these areas methodically and no one gets left behind?

Pre-planning is notoriously difficult when incorporating civilian resources. Additionally, in general, emergency services do not like to pull civilians INTO life threatening situations. This is an extenuating circumstance.

[tolakram]

 https://twitter.com/hcfcd/status/901853993584009216




HCFCD @hcfcd
If you have a boat please call 713-881-3100 and work with @hcfmo to help those neighbors in need. #houwx #hounews #harvey
1:08 PM - Aug 27, 2017

[artist]

Haven't heard from southerngale, wxman57, alyono, Hurakan, and others from the area in awhile. Hope they check in when they can.

[BRweather]

looks stationary once again

[PTPatrick]

I am glad to see that people with boats around the region are trying to help, but I wonder how people from Louisiana and north Texas will safely get their boats to the area in need. It's not like areas around Houston are dry.

[flamingosun]

Humble Independent School District has announced that their first day of school is now delayed. It was to be tomorrow. Now will be Sept. 5.

[artist]

I am glad to see that people with boats around the region are trying to help, but I wonder how people from Louisiana and north Texas will safely get their boats to the area in need. It's not like areas around Houston are dry.

That's the problem they are having now, according to the news conference, they can't get some of the assets they have in, but in the same statement asking others for boats, etc.

[jabman98]

Judge Ed Emmet said Ben Taub Hospital in the Medical Center is being evacuated because of flooding problems in the basement that is disrupting the power source. In TS Allison a lot of hospitals in the Texas Medical Center were affected by the same issue and I thought they'd dealt with it by moving power sources up to higher levels. Crazy to see it happening again.

[jasons2k]

I've had over 14" here. Fortunately no flooding on my street. We have power and watching local news. Prayers for all those trapped by the water!

[galveston-d]

In areas such as this that do experience flooding, why don't they have rescue grids set up and citizen resources coordinating with public officials, in the oft chance such flooding again occurs so private citizens with boats, helis, etc. can check these areas methodically and no one gets left behind?

The lack of coordination in this day and age is mind boggling to me. We can organize all kinds of things so efficiently so well. With each natural disaster there keeps being talk of doing it better next time... when will we learn?? Especially here in the Gulf Coast. I read on ABC 13 a minute ago a notice begging people to bring their flat bottom boats to rescue those in need. That is not the way to do this. Random people - even if they are experienced with their boat - with no rescue training equals potential disaster. Here is an example of a request -
http://abcnews.go.com/US/rescuers-scramble-save-hurricane-harvey-survivors-houston-southeast/story?id=49450092

Just my opinion - not being political - this is bigger one party or another. This is just awful.

[Snowman67]

I've had a little over 16 inches here in Tomball. Thankfully, no issues with water in the house. Many places around here aren't as fortunate. My wife is a school teacher in TISD, and they have cancelled classes for all of next week.

[Hurricane Andrew]

Just a little insight into resource management that I can provide, if you guys don't mind.

I will start with a small example, and scale it up to a regional one, and explain what is happening now.

A working structure fire is called in, we'll say that it is a suburban area, with standard department distribution, and all volunteer departments, to make this simpler. The first thing that happens is that the department in which the fire falls under their coverage area sends a FIRST ALARM. Sometimes, that isn't enough. Additional alarms are called, bringing in not only all available manpower for that department, but also engines, trucks, tankers, and manpower from neighboring departments. Now an additional necessity is formed; manpower to COVER (we generally call it "STANDBY") those mutual aid stations, who are now tied up in another district, to handle emergencies there. This goes on and on as the incident grows, with manpower needs increasing both at the incident scene, and to cover the departments relocating to the incident scene. In this way, a single large fire can involve dozens of fire stations, and well over a hundred personnel. One such example is the Gap Distribution Center Fire in Fishkill, NY last year. Four counties sent resources; my county alone sent 64 fire vehicles. We had MILITARY firefighters, career guys, volley guys, all working together, standing by, doing their part.

Now, rather than a structure fire, we have vast regional flooding. Rather than dozens of personnel, we are talking about thousands. And unlike a structure fire, these floods are effecting response infrastructure. It is hard, for example, to port in additional fire vehicles when the roads leading into the hot zone are flooded out. The rescues needed have far overcome the resources currently available, and that is why civilians are being called in. Mutual aid, rather than coming from a few surrounding companies, is coming from all over the nation. Rather than a few agencies working together, it is dozens. This is a multi-agency incident scaled up to a historic level.

I hope this little rant helped explain a few things.

[Hurricane Andrew]

In areas such as this that do experience flooding, why don't they have rescue grids set up and citizen resources coordinating with public officials, in the oft chance such flooding again occurs so private citizens with boats, helis, etc. can check these areas methodically and no one gets left behind?

The lack of coordination in this day and age is mind boggling to me. We can organize all kinds of things so efficiently so well. With each natural disaster there keeps being talk of doing it better next time... when will we learn?? Especially here in the Gulf Coast. I read on ABC 13 a minute ago a notice begging people to bring their flat bottom boats to rescue those in need. That is not the way to do this. Random people - even if they are experienced with their boat - with no rescue training equals potential disaster. Here is an example of a request -
http://abcnews.go.com/US/rescuers-scramble-save-hurricane-harvey-survivors-houston-southeast/story?id=49450092

Just my opinion - not being political - this is bigger one party or another. This is just awful.

We have been learning. Every major disaster sees updates to incident management and pre-planning. Look at the NIMS/ICS system for an example of that. The fact is, referencing my above post, this is a disaster that requires more resources than any since perhaps Katrina, or even 9/11. It is a major test of the modern Incident Command System. And as for civilians, we would much rather keep them out, but resources are just overwhelmed.

[tolakram]

 https://twitter.com/TXMilitary/status/901848118047768576



Texas Military Dept @TXMilitary
#BREAKINGNEWS: #Texas #NationalGaurd ground teams are heading to #Houston , TX . #Harvey #TMDHarvey @USNationalGuard
12:45 PM - Aug 27, 2017

[tropicwatch]

Dickinson emergency manager coordinator confirms rescue of the nursing home residents.

http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_e1ffff8e-435d-5c78-ab46-57d6bc7dc6a5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

[Hurricane Andrew]

Dickinson emergency manager coordinator confirms rescue of the nursing home residents.

http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_e1ffff8e-435d-5c78-ab46-57d6bc7dc6a5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Thank goodness. Good job to the FRs there!