ATL: MICHAEL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1361 Postby xironman » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:01 am

pcolaman wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
NDG wrote:I think these windshear maps are wrong, there's no way Michael would have had this good satellite presentation if windshear would have been this bad of 25-30 knots over its coc, especially the mid level shear that it shows.

https://i.imgur.com/hpxt1PM.gif
https://i.imgur.com/fJFx1cA.gif
https://i.imgur.com/W6V081l.jpg



I agree. The nhc mentioned that last night as well.



Looks to me that the hurricane is expanding more to the west against the dryer air? How?


The sat only shows a certain level of moisture in the air. Look at Gonzo's drops highlighted by GCANE to see that most of the column is saturated.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1362 Postby NDG » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:01 am

weathermimmi wrote:two questions it looks to be going a tad more west than nnw do you think from the radar posts here???? and how large from end to end did they say it was?
My daughters is supposed to get married on the Gulf Saturday in Fort Walton Beach :?:


Best way to track it is with the actual recons' fixes, it is too far away from radar right now to accurately show a correct heading. Even if landfall is still over Panama City and hurricane force winds stay to the east of Ft Walton Beach, there's probably going to be a lot of beach erosion, I see the Euro showing at least 10-15 foot waves reaching that area if not closer to 20' waves.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1363 Postby pcolaman » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:02 am

pcolaman wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
NDG wrote:I think these windshear maps are wrong, there's no way Michael would have had this good satellite presentation if windshear would have been this bad of 25-30 knots over its coc, especially the mid level shear that it shows.

https://i.imgur.com/hpxt1PM.gif
https://i.imgur.com/fJFx1cA.gif
https://i.imgur.com/W6V081l.jpg



I agree. The nhc mentioned that last night as well.



Looks to me that the hurricane is expanding more to the west against the dryer air? How?


Also the air mass looks to be saturated more to the west of the storm . Could it be creating its own enviroment ?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1364 Postby DestinHurricane » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:05 am

Could we get a reverse storm surge in Miramar Beach?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1365 Postby GCANE » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:05 am

AF306 just went thru the eye.
VDM coming shortly.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1366 Postby GCANE » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:06 am

DestinHurricane wrote:Could we get a reverse storm surge in Miramar Beach?


Tampa Bay too
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1367 Postby weathermimmi » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:07 am

yes and hwy 98 is often breached even with a much smaller storm and power outages as well. It looks almost as if the dry air has zero effect so far and is being pushed away. Can someone restate when aprox is the NNe turn expected?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1368 Postby DestinHurricane » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:09 am

GCANE wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:Could we get a reverse storm surge in Miramar Beach?


Tampa Bay too

Then why are they predicting 6-9 foot surge in Miramar Beach
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1369 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:13 am

weathermimmi wrote:yes and hwy 98 is often breached even with a much smaller storm and power outages as well. It looks almost as if the dry air has zero effect so far and is being pushed away. Can someone restate when aprox is the NNe turn expected?


I believe the storm is supposed to approach 87W and then turn. Tough to tell exactly due to the resolution of the models. Look for thr northward turn to happen late tonight.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1370 Postby Centralflamama » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:14 am

Would anyone care to speculate about flights out of Tampa Wednesday morning? Flight would be headed to N.C.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1371 Postby tolakram » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:14 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
weathermimmi wrote:two questions it looks to be going a tad more west than nnw do you think from the radar posts here???? and how large from end to end did they say it was?
My daughters is supposed to get married on the Gulf Saturday in Fort Walton Beach :?:

It will be gone saturday


And much of the area will be without power, some areas unreachable due to downed trees and power lines.
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#1372 Postby OverlandHurricane » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:15 am

weathermimmi wrote:two questions it looks to be going a tad more west than nnw do you think from the radar posts here???? and how large from end to end did they say it was?
My daughters is supposed to get married on the Gulf Saturday in Fort Walton Beach :?:
Considering that much of town and all of the beach areas of Fort Walton Beach are under mandatory evacuation orders, don't be surprised if the venue has already either postponed or outright cancelled.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1373 Postby CronkPSU » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:15 am

Centralflamama wrote:Would anyone care to speculate about flights out of Tampa Wednesday morning? Flight would be headed to N.C.
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Won’t be an issue, they will be up and running
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1374 Postby KWT » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:15 am

Convection nearly wrapped the eyewall now and the center is warming a little now as well which Isa other sign to watch.

The worst case would be for the inner core to get ramped up a little later, in that setup there probably isn't time for a EWRC.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1375 Postby NDG » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:16 am

AF VDM shows 970mb but I think the dropsonde missed the lowest pressure, 17 knot winds when it splashed at the surface.

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URNT12 KNHC 091208
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL142018
A. 09/11:45:50Z
B. 24.57 deg N 086.11 deg W
C. 700 mb 2837 m
D. 970 mb
E. 090 deg 17 kt
F. OPEN SW
G. E36/35/28
H. 82 kt
I. 325 deg 13 nm 11:41:30Z
J. 078 deg 83 kt
K. 326 deg 18 nm 11:40:00Z
L. 74 kt
M. 132 deg 14 nm 11:50:00Z
N. 222 deg 98 kt
O. 133 deg 18 nm 11:51:00Z
P. 14 C / 3049 m
Q. 16 C / 3044 m
R. 16 C / NA
S. 1234 / 7
T. 0.02 / 2 nm
U. AF306 1014A MICHAEL OB 04
MAX FL WIND 98 KT 133 / 18 NM 11:51:00Z
MAX FL TEMP 17 C 321 / 7 NM FROM FL CNTR
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1377 Postby tolakram » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:17 am

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1378 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:17 am

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1379 Postby GCANE » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:19 am

Radial fingers, gravity waves, and overshooting tops.
Just need a pink donut and another cup of joe.

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#1380 Postby jdjaguar » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:21 am

tolakram wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:
weathermimmi wrote:two questions it looks to be going a tad more west than nnw do you think from the radar posts here???? and how large from end to end did they say it was?
My daughters is supposed to get married on the Gulf Saturday in Fort Walton Beach :?:

It will be gone saturday


And much of the area will be without power, some areas unreachable due to downed trees and power lines.

Exactly.

I have business meetings next week
In Sandestin, and those more than likely
Will be cancelled, barring an earlier shift to the NE
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