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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Recon

#181 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:12 pm

HURRICANE OLIVIA
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 78 FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 79
A. 09/1800Z A. 10/0000Z
B. AFXXX 0217E OLIVIA B. AFXXX 0317E OLIVIA
C. 09/1500Z C. 09/1730Z
D. 21.7N 144.0W D. NA
E. 09/1730Z TO 09/2100Z E. NA
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. 24,000 TO 32,000 FT

FLIGHT THREE -- TEAL 77
A. 10/0600Z
B. AFXXX 0417E OLIVIA
C. 10/0330Z
D. 21.7N 146.1W
E. 10/0530Z TO 10/0900Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: BEGIN 6-HRLY FIXES ON OLIVIA AT
10/1730Z.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#182 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:39 pm

This is what I mean to the above post. 12z FV3-GFS continuing to show what the GFS and UKMET were doing and still takes a weak Olivia south and east of the Big Island:
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12z Euro continues to show an Oahu hit as a weak TS:
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Current GFS and UKMET shifted east and have Big Island landfalls.

HWRF and HMON shred it upon arrival but still manage to show decent TS conditions for some of the islands.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#183 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:54 pm

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WTPZ42 KNHC 082050
TCDEP2

Hurricane Olivia Discussion Number 33
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP172018
200 PM PDT Sat Sep 08 2018

The satellite presentation of Olivia has remained about the same
for the past several hours, as eyewall convection stays mostly
solid around the eye. Dvorak estimates are basically unchanged, so
the initial wind speed is kept at 75 kt. Olivia should stay a
hurricane for the next couple of days while it is experiencing light
shear, balanced by very dry air aloft and marginal but warming SSTs.
After the weekend, most of the guidance continue to indicate that
westerly shear should increase, and weakening is forecast while
Olivia approaches the Hawaiian Islands. No significant changes
were made to the intensity forecast.

Olivia is moving westward at 13 kt. There is no change to the
synoptic reasoning. A building subtropical ridge should steer the
hurricane basically due westward for the next couple of days.
Thereafter, a mid-level ridge over Hawaii should cause Olivia to
lose some latitude and move west-southwestward toward the main
Hawaiian Islands. The models are in better agreement on this cycle,
with the UKMET and GFS models trending more to the north, resulting
in a smaller guidance spread. The official forecast is shifted a
bit northward to match the guidance trend. A C-130 plane is
currently conducting a synoptic surveillance mission around Olivia,
which should hopefully aid later forecasts, which will be issued by
the Central Pacific Hurricane Center.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Olivia is forecast to approach the main Hawaiian Islands from
the east on Tuesday, and pass close to or over the Islands on
Wednesday. It is too soon to determine the exact location and
magnitude of any impacts, but interests in Hawaii should continue to
monitor the progress of Olivia, and use this time to enact your
hurricane action plan.

2. Do not focus on the exact track or intensity forecast, or any
specific landfall location, as errors can be large at extended time
ranges. Tropical storm or hurricane conditions could be felt
anywhere in the islands as significant impacts could extend well
away from the center.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 08/2100Z 21.7N 139.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 09/0600Z 21.9N 141.4W 70 KT 80 MPH
24H 09/1800Z 22.0N 144.0W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 10/0600Z 22.0N 146.2W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 10/1800Z 22.0N 148.1W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 11/1800Z 21.4N 152.1W 55 KT 65 MPH
96H 12/1800Z 20.4N 156.8W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 13/1800Z 19.5N 162.0W 40 KT 45 MPH

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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#184 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Today's 12Z ensemble mean (green) tracks from the Euro/GFS/UKMET have begun to converge:

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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#185 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:19 pm

:uarrow: 18z GFS shifted east of the big island again:

Recent GMI pass shows the core in tact with a strong eyewall in the eastern quad:
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#186 Postby Blown Away » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:22 pm

Moderate TS with hurricane gusts looking likely for Honalulu...
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#187 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:01 am

Microwave presentation looks remarkably well considering its poor IR presentation.

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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#188 Postby Mauistorms » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:23 am

Kingarabian wrote:Microwave presentation looks remarkably well considering its poor IR presentation.

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Curious to know your prediction here. Do you anticipate Olivia to have more or less of an impact than Lane on Oahu/Maui?
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#189 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:34 am

Mauistorms wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Microwave presentation looks remarkably well considering its poor IR presentation.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/l2mKvSO.jpg[/mg]


Curious to know your prediction here. Do you anticipate Olivia to have more or less of an impact than Lane on Oahu/Maui?


If it follows the Euro/CMC/CPHC track (closer to Oahu/Maui), it certainly will. The reason why it seems to be played down in the local media is due to it not being a sexy Cat.5, and quite frankly the intensity forecast is uncertain. However our two best intensity models indicate at least 50mph winds if it happens to make landfall. Lets not forget how shear waited till the last minute to kill off Lane.

If Iselle caused 80 million damage in sparsely populated Puna, imagine what will happen to our densely populated cities.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#190 Postby Mauistorms » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:44 am

Kingarabian wrote:
Mauistorms wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Microwave presentation looks remarkably well considering its poor IR presentation.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/l2mKvSO.jpg[/mg]


Curious to know your prediction here. Do you anticipate Olivia to have more or less of an impact than Lane on Oahu/Maui?


If it follows the Euro/CMC/CPHC track (closer to Oahu/Maui), it certainly will. The reason why it seems to be played down in the local media is due to it not being a sexy Cat.5, and quite frankly the intensity forecast is uncertain. However our two best intensity models indicate at least 50mph winds if it happens to make landfall. Lets not forget how shear waited till the last minute to kill off Lane.

If Iselle caused 80 million damage in sparsely populated Puna, imagine what will happen to our densely populated cities.


It has been played down as you said. It was the 3rd or 4th item on the news tonight. I did notice it seem to fall apart on satellite image but your image above keeps it looking fairly intact.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#191 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 am

Mauistorms wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
Mauistorms wrote:
Curious to know your prediction here. Do you anticipate Olivia to have more or less of an impact than Lane on Oahu/Maui?


If it follows the Euro/CMC/CPHC track (closer to Oahu/Maui), it certainly will. The reason why it seems to be played down in the local media is due to it not being a sexy Cat.5, and quite frankly the intensity forecast is uncertain. However our two best intensity models indicate at least 50mph winds if it happens to make landfall. Lets not forget how shear waited till the last minute to kill off Lane.

If Iselle caused 80 million damage in sparsely populated Puna, imagine what will happen to our densely populated cities.


It has been played down as you said. It was the 3rd or 4th item on the news tonight. I did notice it seem to fall apart on satellite image but your image above keeps it looking fairly intact.


It'll begin to re-intensify in around 18-24 hours since the waters begin to warm up a lot more as it nears Hawaii. It'll likely intensify until shear kicks in and weakens it. However since the core is still intact (as proven on microwave imagery), there remains a possibility that this may rapidly intensify as we seen Miriam and Norman do in this general area. If that happens then the storm will be much more resistant to the increasing shear in its path. Let's hope this does not happen or else it's going to be chaos.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#192 Postby Mauistorms » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:56 am

It looks like a clear eye has reappeared in satellite now. I could be wrong...
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#193 Postby Blinhart » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:01 am

so when was the last time Hawaii has been threatened with this many systems in one season?
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#194 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:23 am

Mauistorms wrote:It looks like a clear eye has reappeared in satellite now. I could be wrong...

00z Euro looks like a slight east shift and a dead on Maui landfall.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#195 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:27 am

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Hurricane Olivia Discussion Number 35
NWS Central Pacific Hurricane Center Honolulu HI EP172018
1100 PM HST Sat Sep 08 2018

Olivia remains poorly organized in infrared satellite imagery
this evening. There have been hints of an eye in some of this
imagery, but this feature is not persistent. The latest
subjective Dvorak current intensity estimates were 4.0/65 kt from
PHFO and SAB. Note that JTWC has only been doing fixes on this
system since around 0000z, so their 3.5/55 kt was unrepresentative,
since there is no valid MET available. The latest UW-CIMSS ADT
estimate was 4.1/67 kt. We will maintain the current intensity at
70 kt for this advisory.

Olivia is now moving due west, so the initial motion estimate is
270/14 kt. The hurricane is being steered to the south of a strong
deep layer ridge situated north through west of the system.
Little change in forward motion is expected during the next 2 days,
since the ridging is forecast to build westward in tandem with
Olivia. After 48 hours, the portion of the ridge to the west of
Olivia is forecast to build, which will likely shunt the tropical
cyclone on a more west-southwest motion. The track guidance remains
fairly tightly clustered, and this forecast is very similar to the
previous forecast track, which brings the center of Olivia across
the main Hawaiian Islands between 72 and 96 hours. A more westward
motion is expected to resume after Olivia's passage through the
islands, as the upper ridge retreats westward and the circulation
center becomes increasingly steered by the low-level trade wind
flow.

Olivia is in a very weak vertical wind shear environment, but it is
moving over marginal sea surface temperatures of 25.5C. The
hurricane has likely traversed the coolest water it was going to
encounter, but SSTs stay sub-27C until Olivia gets close to the
islands. Note that the Ocean Heat Content (OHC) analysis from CIRA
shows this parameter may increase starting around 36 or 48 hours, so
this may help Olivia maintain its intensity longer than is currently
forecast. However, vertical wind shear is expected to begin
increasing after 48 hours, which will likely result in a gradual
weakening trend. Despite this trend, Olivia is forecast to remain a
strong tropical storm during 72 to 96 hours, which could cause
significant impacts in the main Hawaiian Islands. The latest
intensity forecast closely follows the previous advisory.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. It is important to recognize that errors in both forecast track
and intensity, particularly at longer time ranges, can be large.
While it is too soon to determine the location and magnitude of the
worst impacts, all interests in Hawaii should continue to monitor
the progress of Olivia, and use this time to prepare for the
increasing likelihood of direct impacts from this system early next
week.

2. Regardless of the exact track and intensity that Olivia takes
as it approaches the islands, significant effects often do extend
far from the center. In particular, the mountainous terrain of
Hawaii can produce localized areas of strongly enhanced winds and
rainfall, even well away from the tropical cyclone center.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 09/0900Z 21.8N 142.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 09/1800Z 21.8N 144.3W 70 KT 80 MPH
24H 10/0600Z 21.8N 146.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 10/1800Z 21.8N 148.7W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 11/0600Z 21.7N 150.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 12/0600Z 20.9N 154.3W 55 KT 65 MPH
96H 13/0600Z 19.8N 159.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 14/0600Z 19.6N 164.0W 40 KT 45 MPH

$$
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#196 Postby bob rulz » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:11 am

Blinhart wrote:so when was the last time Hawaii has been threatened with this many systems in one season?


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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#197 Postby supercane4867 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:08 am

06z Models and 00z EC keep Olivia as a decent TS upon approach to Hawaii
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#198 Postby supercane4867 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:03 pm

Recon indicates Olivia is no longer a hurricane.
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#199 Postby wxman57 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:07 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Recon indicates Olivia is no longer a hurricane.


Let's see what they find in the stronger NE quadrant, but it may well be a TS now. I don't think there will be too much left of Olivia by the time it nears Hawaii, but we'll see...
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Re: EPAC: OLIVIA - Hurricane

#200 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:32 pm

Convection wise, it's doing a lot better this morning.

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