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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#241 Postby floridasun78 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:24 pm

nativefloridian wrote:Message from NHC site: NHC will initiate advisories at 5 PM EDT on Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven, located between the north-central coast of Cuba and the central Bahamas.

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did their say we could see ts watch be issue with this ?
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#242 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:25 pm

AxaltaRacing24 wrote:in developing systems like this one, doesn’t the convection need to collapse and then reform to help the LLC form in the first place?
Convection typically pulses in developing systems but not required

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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#243 Postby nativefloridian » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:25 pm

floridasun78 wrote:
nativefloridian wrote:Message from NHC site: NHC will initiate advisories at 5 PM EDT on Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven, located between the north-central coast of Cuba and the central Bahamas.

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did their say we could see ts watch be issue with this ?


No. Guess we have to wait until 5pm
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#244 Postby floridasun78 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:26 pm

i bet weather office in miami are talk with nhc next door and key west office
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#245 Postby MississippiWx » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:30 pm

There are hints of new convection about to form. Starting to notice the small popcorn storms develop. Some models have also shown this gain some latitude briefly before turning back west. It seems to be doing that now.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Recon

#246 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:31 pm

panamatropicwatch ,merged your thread with this one.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#247 Postby JPmia » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:32 pm

My barometer has been dropping steadily this morning. From 30.03 to 29.97 inches.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#248 Postby Bocadude85 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:34 pm

nativefloridian wrote:
floridasun78 wrote:
nativefloridian wrote:Message from NHC site: NHC will initiate advisories at 5 PM EDT on Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven, located between the north-central coast of Cuba and the central Bahamas.

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did their say we could see ts watch be issue with this ?


No. Guess we have to wait until 5pm


I doubt we will see any TS watches for Florida, I would assume the first track will not show a TS until the SE GOM, which would mean no watches or warnings would be required for S.Fla/Keys.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#249 Postby HurricaneBrain » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:37 pm

The main reasoning behind the PTC designation is to initiate watches and warnings for disturbances that aren’t a TC. There will be watches (maybe warnings) in place for SOFLA next update.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#250 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:41 pm

I had wind gusts of 40 to 50 mph with an outer band line of storms that came across Tampa Bay. Wunderstations reported gusts to 47 mph in St. Petersburg . Multiple gusts over 40 mph here. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5 ... 86c84d.png
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#251 Postby floridasun78 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:41 pm

let wait for nhc issue Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - because their some here saying we could watch for fl other say wont but gulf maybe see watch soon
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#252 Postby RL3AO » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:41 pm

HurricaneBrain wrote:The main reasoning behind the PTC designation is to initiate watches and warnings for disturbances that aren’t a TC. There will be watches (maybe warnings) in place for SOFLA next update.


While I can't rule out watches for S FL (I think they're unlikely), the PTC designation will primarily be to issue watches for the Gulf Coast where NHC will be forecasting a TS to make landfall in 48 to 54 hours.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#253 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:43 pm

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER WESTWARD TO EAST OF MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA
INCLUDING LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN AND LAKE MAUREPAS

INTERESTS IN THE FLORIDA KEYS AND THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA
SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

My take, they are not ruling out TS watches/warrnings for FL in near future.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#254 Postby BobHarlem » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:43 pm

HurricaneBrain wrote:The main reasoning behind the PTC designation is to initiate watches and warnings for disturbances that aren’t a TC. There will be watches (maybe warnings) in place for SOFLA next update.


Nope:
A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER WESTWARD TO EAST OF MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA
INCLUDING LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN AND LAKE MAUREPAS
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Re: ATL: INVEST 91L - Discussion

#255 Postby psyclone » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:43 pm

HurricaneBrain wrote:The main reasoning behind the PTC designation is to initiate watches and warnings for disturbances that aren’t a TC. There will be watches (maybe warnings) in place for SOFLA next update.


Since the system is within 36 hours of fl if anything goes up for FL it will be warnings but i suspect we'll get nothing for FL and watches up on the gulf coast. I guess we'll know soon
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#256 Postby JtSmarts » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:44 pm

Based on the forecast advisory looks like the NHC is forecasting 60mph at peak. Very reasonable.

FORECAST VALID 04/1800Z 28.0N 87.1W
MAX WIND 50 KT...GUSTS 60 KT.
50 KT... 20NE 20SE 0SW 20NW.
34 KT... 50NE 40SE 20SW 50NW.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Advisories

#257 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:44 pm

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Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Advisory Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072018
500 PM EDT Sun Sep 02 2018

...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AND HEAVY RAINFALL POSSIBLE OVER
PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL GULF COAST TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.7N 77.3W
ABOUT 100 MI...155 KM NNE OF CAMAGUEY CUBA
ABOUT 275 MI...445 KM ESE OF MARATHON FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...30 MPH...45 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 15 MPH...24 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1012 MB...29.89 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

A Tropical Storm Watch has been issued for portions of the central
Gulf Coast from the Alabama-Florida border westward to east of
Morgan City, Louisiana, including Lake Pontchartrain and Lake
Maurepas.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Alabama-Florida border westward to east of Morgan City, Louisiana,
including Lake Pontchartrain and Lake Maurepas

Interests in the Florida Keys and the southern Florida peninsula
should monitor the progress of this system.

For storm information specific to your area, including possible
inland watches and warnings, please monitor products issued by your
local National Weather Service forecast office.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 500 PM EDT (2100 UTC), the disturbance was centered near latitude
22.7 North, longitude 77.3 West. The system is moving toward the
west-northwest near 15 mph (24 km/h), and this general motion is
expected to continue through Wednesday. On the forecast track, the
disturbance will pass over the Florida Keys Monday afternoon, emerge
over the southeastern Gulf of Mexico by Monday evening, and reach
the central Gulf Coast by Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.

Maximum sustained winds are near 30 mph (45 km/h) with higher gusts.
Gradual strengthening is forecast during the next 48 hours, and the
disturbance is expected to become a tropical depression Monday
morning and a tropical storm by Monday evening.

Conditions appear to be conducive for development, and this system
is expected to become a tropical depression by Monday morning.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1012 mb (29.89 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND: Tropical storm conditions are possible within the watch
area by Tuesday night and Wednesday. Tropical-storm-force wind gusts
will be possible Monday afternoon and evening across portions of
South Florida and the Florida Keys.

RAINFALL: The disturbance is expected to produce total rain
accumulations of 2 to 4 inches over the central and northwestern
Bahamas, the Florida Keys, and South Florida through early Tuesday.
Isolated maximum amounts of 8 inches are possible over the southern
Florida peninsula. This rainfall may cause flash flooding. The
disturbance is expected to produce heavy rainfall along the central
Gulf Coast of the United States by the middle of the week.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 800 PM EDT.
Next complete advisory at 1100 PM EDT.

$$
Forecaster Stewart



Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Discussion Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL072018
500 PM EDT Sun Sep 02 2018

The area of disturbed weather associated with a tropical wave that
the NHC has been tracking for the past few days has become better
organized today. Strong winds previously associated with an upper-
level trough just west of the system have decreased significantly
during the day, and the upper-level flow across the disturbance has
become more anticyclonic. Earlier scatterometer wind data indicated
that the system does not yet have a closed surface circulation.
However, the same data indicate that winds of 25-28 kt exist outside
of thunderstorm activity, with some higher gusts likely present.
The initial intensity is being set at a conservative 25 kt for this
advisory.

The initial motion estimate is an uncertain 300/13 kt. The global
models are in excellent agreement that the strong subtropical ridge
to the north of the disturbance will remain entrenched across the
southeastern U.S. and mid-Atlantic states throughout the forecast
period. This flow pattern should keep the system moving in a west-
northwestward to northwestward motion until landfall occurs along
the central Gulf coast in 60-72 hours. The model tracks are tightly
packed, so the NHC official forecast track essentially lies down the
middle of the guidance envelope. On the forecast track, the system
is expected to move across the Florida Keys Monday afternoon, and
reach the central Gulf Coast by Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.

The aforementioned upper-level anticyclonic has been steadily
increasing during the day today, with weak cirrus outflow now
occurring in all quadrants. The disturbance is forecast to move
across the very warm waters of the Gulfstream late tonight and early
Monday morning where local diabatic heating should enhance deep
convection near the mid-level circulation, causing the vortex column
to build downward to the surface. Once a closed surface circulation
develops, the combination of low to modest vertical shear and SSTs
of at least 30C along the track should allow for at least slow but
steady strengthening. Although the official intensity forecast shows
weakening at 72 hours, this is due to the system expected to be
inland at that time. Conditions will favorable for continued
strengthening after the 48-h period until landfall occurs, and a
peak intensity of around 55 kt around 60 hours is possible. The
SHIPS and LGEM models were the only intensity guidance available for
this package, and the official forecast is just a little below an
average of those models. The HWRF and HMON models will be
forthcoming for the next advisory package, so some adjustments to
this first intensity forecast may be required as more guidance
becomes available.

Key Messages:

1. Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven will bring heavy rainfall and
gusty winds to portions of the Bahamas, South Florida, and the
Florida Keys tonight and Monday, and interests in those areas should
monitor the progress of this system.

2. A Tropical Storm Watch has been issued for portions of the
central Gulf Coast, and tropical storm conditions are possible in
those areas Tuesday night and Wednesday. Heavy rainfall from this
system will affect portions of the central Gulf Coast later this
week, including areas that are currently receiving heavy rainfall
from a different weather system. Interests in these areas should
monitor products from their local National Weather Service office.

3. Users should be aware that forecast uncertainty for potential
tropical cylones is generally larger than that for tropical
cyclones, especially beyond 48-72 hours.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 02/2100Z 22.7N 77.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
12H 03/0600Z 23.7N 79.3W 30 KT 35 MPH...TROPICAL DEPRESSION
24H 03/1800Z 25.1N 81.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 04/0600Z 26.6N 84.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 04/1800Z 28.0N 87.1W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 05/1800Z 30.6N 91.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
96H 06/1800Z 33.0N 94.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
120H 07/1800Z 34.0N 95.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
Forecaster Stewart


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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#258 Postby nativefloridian » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:44 pm

As per NHC:
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WTNT22 KNHC 022042
TCMAT2

POTENTIAL TROPICAL CYCLONE SEVEN FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 1
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072018
2100 UTC SUN SEP 02 2018

CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH THIS ADVISORY...

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL
GULF COAST FROM THE ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER WESTWARD TO EAST OF
MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA...INCLUDING LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN AND LAKE
MAUREPAS.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER WESTWARD TO EAST OF MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA
INCLUDING LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN AND LAKE MAUREPAS

INTERESTS IN THE FLORIDA KEYS AND THE SOUTHERN FLORIDA PENINSULA
SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE CENTER LOCATED NEAR 22.7N 77.3W AT 02/2100Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 25 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST OR 300 DEGREES AT 13 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 1012 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 25 KT WITH GUSTS TO 35 KT.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 22.7N 77.3W AT 02/2100Z
AT 02/1800Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 22.4N 76.7W

FORECAST VALID 03/0600Z 23.7N 79.3W...TROPICAL DEPRESSION
MAX WIND 30 KT...GUSTS 40 KT.

FORECAST VALID 03/1800Z 25.1N 81.9W
MAX WIND 35 KT...GUSTS 45 KT.
34 KT... 40NE 40SE 0SW 40NW.

FORECAST VALID 04/0600Z 26.6N 84.5W
MAX WIND 40 KT...GUSTS 50 KT.
34 KT... 40NE 40SE 0SW 40NW.

FORECAST VALID 04/1800Z 28.0N 87.1W
MAX WIND 50 KT...GUSTS 60 KT.
50 KT... 20NE 20SE 0SW 20NW.
34 KT... 50NE 40SE 20SW 50NW.

FORECAST VALID 05/1800Z 30.6N 91.6W...INLAND
MAX WIND 35 KT...GUSTS 45 KT.
34 KT... 30NE 30SE 0SW 0NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 150 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 175 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 15 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 06/1800Z 33.0N 94.0W...INLAND
MAX WIND 25 KT...GUSTS 35 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 07/1800Z 34.0N 95.5W...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW INLAND
MAX WIND 20 KT...GUSTS 30 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 22.7N 77.3W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 03/0300Z

$$
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#259 Postby floridasun78 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:44 pm

nhc busy issuing Tropical Storm Florence Discussion Number 14 that their did now working on ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#260 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:49 pm

We have an advisories thread so the peeps can see all the warnings and discussions.Posting a advisory here gets lost with the very high traffic going on so that is why we have that thread.

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