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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#281 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:53 pm

A little historical context: If Beryl becomes a hurricane, it'll be the first Cape Verde hurricane in the month of July since Hurricane Bertha in 2008.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#282 Postby Gustywind » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:53 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Gustywind wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:last few frames. showing a pinhole eye. surrounded by ever-increasing convection.

So Aric, you think that we have a hurricane now? :roll:


not quite. 60 to 70 mph seems reasonable. just a little more deep convection and it will be on its way.

:) thanks.That is a very powerfull TS :oops:
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#283 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:54 pm

Making the run to Hurricane.

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#284 Postby Nimbus » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:54 pm

There were incredibly cold cloud tops in the CDO last night that highlighted the tiny circulation.
Shallow track guidance is further north just south of Puerto Rico, but if the storm is going to weaken a little before the final warnings are issued it makes sense not to hype the storm early. Not sure of the generator fuel supply on the islands, so some people will probably fill up early.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#285 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:56 pm

ANother new microwave.. its trying.


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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#286 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:00 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:last few frames. showing a pinhole eye. surrounded by ever-increasing convection. overall not incredibly high up convection. but plenty deep enough. we have seen shallow hurricanes before many times.


No doubt a pinhole eye.

IMHO, a good part of the RI can be attributed to the conducive 355K PV conditions, allowing for the vort column to quickly stack and expand vertically.

If this is the case, PV conditions are conducive well into the islands according to GFS forecast.

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#287 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:05 pm

Amazingly very minimal rain rate.
Leads more to the idea RI is from favorable upper troposphere conditions.

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#288 Postby JaxGator » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:07 pm

LarryWx wrote:It appears this is/will be the strongest Beryl of the 7 so far since 60 mph is the strongest of the prior 6.


Based on current trends, it looks like it. Though the last Beryl in 2012 was maxed at 70 mph, almost reaching hurricane strength, but yes, you're right about this one.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#289 Postby msbee » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:09 pm

Gustywind wrote:
msbee wrote:Thanks everyone for all the analyses.
We are watching this closely in the islands as even a strong tropical wave could cause us problems. We still are in recovery mode after Irma and many people are still living under tarps.

Glad again to see you back and the Northern Leewards continuing to rebuild step by step. Yes even a strong twave could be problematic. We must stay on our guard with 95L. Looks like this little boy is showing his little teeth :oops: , hope that he will not bring more than modest rain amount to stop the drought in many islands :)


Hi Gusty good to see you. yes, we all can use some rain.. just not too much at one time.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#290 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:12 pm

though the ssts maps are ranging from 25 to 27c depending on which one you look at. if it closer to 25c it could explain the shallow convection. as it moves forward though the SSTS begin to increase quite a bit so that wont be an issue come tomorrow.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#291 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:19 pm

winds up to 50mph
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#292 Postby Hammy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:21 pm

JaxGator wrote:
LarryWx wrote:It appears this is/will be the strongest Beryl of the 7 so far since 60 mph is the strongest of the prior 6.


Based on current trends, it looks like it. Though the last Beryl in 2012 was maxed at 70 mph, almost reaching hurricane strength, but yes, you're right about this one.


1982 was the strongest so far (the BT data some time ago had 63kt (not entirely sure why, some of the 80s storms weren't in 5kt incriments) and was likely a hurricane.

Interestingly it looks like this could be the first MDR hurricane in July since 2008 (and I don't know when the last one this far south was in July.)
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#293 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:22 pm

very good discussion.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Advisories

#294 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:22 pm

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Beryl Advisory Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022018
500 PM AST Thu Jul 05 2018

...TINY BERYL STRENGTHENING OVER THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...10.3N 42.8W
ABOUT 1295 MI...2080 KM ESE OF THE LESSER ANTILLES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1004 MB...29.65 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
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At 500 PM AST (2100 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Beryl was
located near latitude 10.3 North, longitude 42.8 West. Beryl is
moving toward the west near 16 mph (26 km/h). A fast westward to
west-northwestward motion is expected through the weekend. On the
forecast track, the center of Beryl will remain east of the Lesser
Antilles through Sunday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 50 mph (85 km/h)
with higher gusts. Additional strengthening is forecast, and Beryl
could become a hurricane by Friday or Saturday. Beryl is forecast
to degenerate into an open trough just east of the Lesser Antilles
over the weekend.

Beryl is a tiny tropical storm. Tropical-storm-force winds extend
outward up to 35 miles (55 km) from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1004 mb (29.65 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
None


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next complete advisory at 1100 PM AST.

$$
Forecaster Berg



Tropical Storm Beryl Discussion Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022018
500 PM AST Thu Jul 05 2018

Beryl has been a bit of a surprise today, which is not uncommon for
tiny tropical cyclones such as itself. A 1724 UTC SSMI microwave
pass and a 1853 UTC SSMI/S pass both revealed that the cyclone had
developed a well-defined 5 nmi-wide mid-level eye, and a dimple has
been apparent in visible satellite imagery. It's usually difficult
to get a good handle on the intensity of these types of cyclones
given their small size, but data-T numbers from TAFB and SAB are a
consensus T3.0. The initial intensity is therefore raised to 45 kt,
but there is a lot of uncertainty in this estimate.

If the initial intensity is uncertain, the future intensity is even
more of a quandary. Despite being surrounded by abundant dry air,
Beryl has apparently been able to isolate itself and possibly
moisten the near-storm environment while located in an area of low
shear. Since the shear is expected to remain quite low for the next
36 hours or so, and small cyclones like Beryl often have a tendency
to strengthen quickly over a short period of time, continued
intensification appears likely for the next day or so. The updated
NHC intensity forecast most closely follows the statistical-
dynamical guidance, which lies at the upper end of the guidance
envelope, and brings Beryl to hurricane strength within 36 hours.
After that time, increasing westerly shear, partially due to Beryl
accelerating toward the west, is expected to cause weakening. In
addition, every global model shows the cyclone opening up into a
tropical wave in 72-96 hours, which is what the NHC forecast
continues to depict. It cannot be stressed enough, however, that
this is a low confidence forecast.

The one stable part of the forecast is Beryl's future track. The
new guidance has not changed much from the previous forecast cycle,
and it continues to show Beryl slowing down a bit during the next 24
hours, followed by a west-northwestward acceleration in 48-72 hours
due to a strengthening ridge to the north. The updated NHC track
forecast is just a bit south of the previous one and is closest to
the HCCA and Florida State Superensemble guidance.

Even though Beryl is expected to dissipate just east of the Lesser
Antilles early next week, the remnant tropical wave will continue
moving quickly westward and will likely bring locally heavy
rains and gusty winds to portions of the Leeward Islands on Sunday
and Monday.

Key Messages:

1. Due to its very small size, there is greater-than-usual
uncertainty in the analysis of Beryl's current intensity.
Confidence in the official intensity forecast is also much lower
than normal. Rapid changes in intensity, both up and down, that are
difficult to predict are possible during the next couple of days.

2. While Beryl is still expected to dissipate as a tropical cyclone
by Monday before reaching the Lesser Antilles, there will likely
be some rain and wind impacts on those islands early next week.
Residents there should monitor products from their local weather
office for more information.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 05/2100Z 10.3N 42.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 06/0600Z 10.8N 44.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 06/1800Z 11.4N 46.3W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 07/0600Z 12.1N 48.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 07/1800Z 13.0N 51.0W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 08/1800Z 14.5N 58.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 09/1800Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Berg
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#295 Postby AnnularCane » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:26 pm

Quite a change in the intensity forecast from the last advisory! Kind of reminds me of Michael (2012). :P
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#296 Postby Alyono » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:33 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:A little historical context: If Beryl becomes a hurricane, it'll be the first Cape Verde hurricane in the month of July since Hurricane Bertha in 2008.


May not qualify as a CV storm since it formed west of 40W
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#297 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:42 pm

Alyono wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:A little historical context: If Beryl becomes a hurricane, it'll be the first Cape Verde hurricane in the month of July since Hurricane Bertha in 2008.


May not qualify as a CV storm since it formed west of 40W


I amend my post to A little historical context: If Beryl becomes a hurricane, it'll be the first hurricane to develop in the MDR in the month of July since Hurricane Bertha in 2008.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#298 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:45 pm

The ULL that was forecast to be in the Bahamas appears not to be there anymore.
At this point, no longer a real shredder possibility.
GFS is now forecasting conducive 355K PV conditions well past the islands.
IMHO the forecast is quickly changing.
Next couple models runs will be very interesting to see where the track ends up.
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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#299 Postby StruThiO » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:49 pm

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Re: ATL: BERYL - Tropical Storm

#300 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:50 pm

GCANE wrote:The ULL that was forecast to be in the Bahamas appears not to be there anymore.
At this point, no longer a real shredder possibility.
GFS is now forecasting conducive 355K PV conditions well past the islands.
IMHO the forecast is quickly changing.
Next couple models runs will be very interesting to see where the track ends up.


Without adequate protection 20 knots could be the death of this thing, as well as its fast forward speed by day 5.
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