ATL: FLORENCE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3221 Postby tolakram » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:23 pm

There may also be some shear. Higher clouds appear to be moving toward the center from the south.

https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/exper/?parms=meso-meso1-09-48-1-10-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3222 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:24 pm

That last microwave pass doesn't look like an EWRC to me, looks like an entire quadrant of the hurricane has been eroded. Unexpected mid level shear?
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3223 Postby MississippiWx » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:25 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Not quite sure if she can complete this EWRC. Appears to be a failed attempt on microwave unless she can close the outer eyewall.


While satellite can be a little deceiving, it appears that she may have already closed that section of the eye wall or at least made a lot of progress. A close glance at visible loops shows what the microwave pass was showing, but it appears to have closed off a lot better since. We will see.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3224 Postby psyclone » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:That last microwave pass doesn't look like an EWRC to me, looks like an entire quadrant of the hurricane has been eroded. Unexpected mid level shear?

that has unexpectedly disrupted many canes before. Let's hope
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3225 Postby rwfromkansas » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:28 pm

Following this thread, I remember why I try not to read these hurricane discussions....and then why I get sucked in to watch anyway. Every hour these storms have something new to throw at us. Even with all our technology, there is still a lot we can't truly predict. It's a mental rollercoaster. Let's hope for a miracle for those in the path, but either way, it's bringing a ton of water.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3226 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:32 pm

Massive off-the-scale rain rate.
Latent heating is going to reintensify the core.
Nicely isolated from any PV anomalies.


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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3227 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:33 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Not quite sure if she can complete this EWRC. Appears to be a failed attempt on microwave unless she can close the outer eyewall.

Agreed, but I am no pro
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3228 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:36 pm

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3229 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:40 pm

Cloud tops warming as well

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3230 Postby Sanibel » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:40 pm

NW edge starting to flatten in response to High...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3231 Postby Nasdaq » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:40 pm

Phillip Papin on twitter

"A recent 85GHz microwave pass over #Hurricane #Florence reveals despite its good IR presentation, the core is starting to degrade.

The earlier #ERC never finished & a combo of ocean upwelling & dry air entrainment are affecting the core.

Further intensification unlikely now." https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1039958804715073536
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3232 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Sanibel wrote:NW edge starting to flatten in response to High...


Interesting observation, it is very noticeable after looking at the IR.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3233 Postby emeraldislenc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:51 pm

It really looks like a weakening trend but who knows for certain it does not look as healthy as it did earlier. Let’s hope the trend continues. The next few hours will be intetesting to see the trends.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3234 Postby shawn67 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:55 pm

Nasdaq wrote:Phillip Papin on twitter

"A recent 85GHz microwave pass over #Hurricane #Florence reveals despite its good IR presentation, the core is starting to degrade.

The earlier #ERC never finished & a combo of ocean upwelling & dry air entrainment are affecting the core.

Further intensification unlikely now." https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1039958804715073536


Second part of his tweet beginning with However:

https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1039960924864446464

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3235 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:57 pm

Looks like some of the cloud tops are starting to cool again. She should be hitting warmer waters soon.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3236 Postby GCANE » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:58 pm

New tower firing off on the west eyewall.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3237 Postby JBCycloneStan » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:58 pm

GCANE wrote:Massive off-the-scale rain rate.
Latent heating is going to reintensify the core.
Nicely isolated from any PV anomalies.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2ldzrs6.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/21eama1.gif


Nasdaq wrote:Phillip Papin on twitter

"A recent 85GHz microwave pass over #Hurricane #Florence reveals despite its good IR presentation, the core is starting to degrade.

The earlier #ERC never finished & a combo of ocean upwelling & dry air entrainment are affecting the core.

Further intensification unlikely now." https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/103995880471507353


There are contradictory. What is the truth?
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3238 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:59 pm

I would be ecstatic if this thing degraded. The downside would be that next storm even less people will heed directions to evacuate if ends up being much weaker than forecast.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3239 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:00 pm

GCANE wrote:New tower firing off on the west eyewall.


Yup just saw the same thing. Shes approaching the warmer waters. Wonder what happens next..
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#3240 Postby Visioen » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:06 pm

Nasdaq wrote:Phillip Papin on twitter

"A recent 85GHz microwave pass over #Hurricane #Florence reveals despite its good IR presentation, the core is starting to degrade.

The earlier #ERC never finished & a combo of ocean upwelling & dry air entrainment are affecting the core.

Further intensification unlikely now." https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1039958804715073536

I wonder why he talks about ocean upwelling. Florence is moving forward like a rocket.
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