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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#301 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:35 pm

Definitely looks like Gonzalo at 11; if that blowup over the center continues and starts being a CDO then wow
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#302 Postby abajan » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:47 pm

Not sure if it's been posted already, but here's Levi Cowan's update.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#303 Postby SFLcane » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:49 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:if the center is truly where the curved band of deep -80+ convection is then we are well farther a long than a depression..

https://i.ibb.co/d0hVwNy/Capture.png


Well thankfully it's not because it's on the Eastern edge of that convection because of the shear from the East.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#304 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:53 pm

SFLcane wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:if the center is truly where the curved band of deep -80+ convection is then we are well farther a long than a depression..

https://i.ibb.co/d0hVwNy/Capture.png


Well thankfully it's not because it's on the Eastern edge of that convection because of the shear from the East.


I would have to disagree. since the last burst of convection that started this a couple of hours ago was on the East side of the circ..

watched the towers wrap all the way around before sunset.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#305 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm

The center is likely underneath the latest batch of convection going off the 18z best track and the fact it's likely a bit west of that location now.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#306 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:04 pm

Looks like a scenario we've seen played out plenty of times: tiny storm, relatively low-shear environment, missed by almost all the models. I bet it'll ramp up close to hurricane status or outright become one, before weakening due to increased shear by the islands.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#307 Postby tiger_deF » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:12 pm

Deepest convection we've seen with this system yet is firing off right now a little to the SW of the previous burst, the overall coverage of convection has improved though and I would definitely say this is in the process of strengthening in it's own little moisture pocket
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#308 Postby sma10 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:24 pm

abajan wrote:Not sure if it's been posted already, but here's Levi Cowan's update.


Outstanding discussion of TD7
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#309 Postby aspen » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:37 pm

Levi points out two scenarios in his discussion of TD7: either it remains weak and further south, or it gets stronger and further north. This is all due to an incoming SAL surge that will try to pull the system. If it gets stronger and stays further south in the short term, it would be more likely to survive and later get pulled slightly north. This is what the HWRF has been insistent on. However, less strengthening and a slightly more north track in the next 24-48 hours would mean a weaker system that dies quicker, similar to the GFS and Euro runs.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#310 Postby St0rmTh0r » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:42 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:if the center is truly where the curved band of deep -80+ convection is then we are well farther a long than a depression..

https://i.ibb.co/d0hVwNy/Capture.png

What are the RI chances? If this sustains it has to be a strong possibility
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#311 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:45 pm

St0rmTh0r wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:if the center is truly where the curved band of deep -80+ convection is then we are well farther a long than a depression..

https://i.ibb.co/d0hVwNy/Capture.png

What are the RI chances? If this sustains it has to be a strong possibility


well it would have to not speed up. So it would need to have a quick bump up in strength in the next 12 to 24 hours. keep its current speed for a day or so.. then assuming all goes well ...

then some RI is quite possible thursday into friday.

but if it gets caught in the flow to the north it will have issues.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#312 Postby storminabox » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Looks like a scenario we've seen played out plenty of times: tiny storm, relatively low-shear environment, missed by almost all the models. I bet it'll ramp up close to hurricane status or outright become one, before weakening due to increased shear by the islands.


This seems like the most reasonable scenario to me.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#313 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:01 pm

another big burst looks like its starting between the two previous bursts. which is likely where the center its.

this new one looks like it is back on the NE side as its rotating north.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#314 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:03 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:another big burst looks like its starting between the two previous bursts. which is likely where the center its.

I bet we just keep seeing new bursts that fizzle put replaced by another new burst that later fizzles. Not sure why this happens.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#315 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:05 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:another big burst looks like its starting between the two previous bursts. which is likely where the center its.

I bet we just keep seeing new bursts that fizzle put replaced by another new burst that later fizzles. Not sure why this happens.


the last two have not fizzled ... convection was maintained ....just not -90 tops.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#316 Postby aspen » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:19 pm

Looks good enough to be upgraded to 35 kt for 00z. This will easily surpass Gert ‘05 to be the earliest G-named storm in the Atlantic.

It’ll also be traversing through several pockets of nice and high OHC. Perhaps moving into slightly higher OHC could trigger a phase of rapid intensification, if it happens to coincide with the system having the right structure.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#317 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:23 pm

These burst and towers rotating are building up the mid and upper level vorticity. as to keep happening for a little long.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#318 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:47 pm

aspen wrote:Looks good enough to be upgraded to 35 kt for 00z. This will easily surpass Gert ‘05 to be the earliest G-named storm in the Atlantic.

It’ll also be traversing through several pockets of nice and high OHC. Perhaps moving into slightly higher OHC could trigger a phase of rapid intensification, if it happens to coincide with the system having the right structure.
https://rammb-data.cira.colostate.edu/tc_realtime/products/storms/2020al07/ohcnfcst/2020al07_ohcnfcst_202007211800.gif


OHC is not that important for tropical systems when they are moving along, warm SSTs and right atmospheric conditions are more than enough. Over the next few days it will be tracking over very warm SSTs near 29 deg C.

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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#319 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:49 pm

Well, new HWRF has given up on the 92kt Cat 2 hurricane. Now has peak winds only 58 kts. Big change. More realistic, but likely still too strong.
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Re: ATL: SEVEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#320 Postby aspen » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:51 pm

Kept at 30 kt for 00z. I’m surprised.
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