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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3721 Postby hershels » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:48 am

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NDG wrote:Another look at the wind gusts being forecasted by the 06z Euro, but I have noticed it tends to be too aggressive with wind gusts in the past, a lot of times, but if it deepens more than 940s mb it forecasts gusts could very well be this strong.

https://i.imgur.com/8SdsxCM.png


Similar to Ike there was a tight gradient over Houston, where the far west suburbs of the city only got Tropical storm force winds while the eastern half of the city received wind gust of 80+mph.


What part of Houston are you? I remember Ike, we were in Meyerland at the time and were without power for 2 weeks. We are in Bellaire now and on the police station and fire department grid, so there is hope!

This gal is worrisome!
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3722 Postby KWT » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:52 am

06z ECM with 145mph gusts into Galveston and even more to the east...scary run.

Solid cat-4 from the looks of things on that run. NHC are going to have to up their intensity based on the last suite of models.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3723 Postby Highteeld » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:08 am

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3724 Postby NDG » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:19 am

Zoomed in look at the 12z TVCN, a slight shift westward continues, Thursday morning at 12z.

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3725 Postby Blown Away » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:23 am

Euro tends to have a L bias... Its so close now, those few miles here and there matter...
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3726 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:24 am

Blown Away wrote:Euro tends to have a L bias... Its so close now, those few miles here and there matter...

It does, but in this case it may be right. The models have been playing catch-up with the strength of the ridge
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3727 Postby CypressMike » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:28 am


The ridge must've been underdone in earlier models. Let's see if this holds. If so, it could be close to a worst case scenario for Houston/Galveston.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3728 Postby wxman22 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:30 am

hershels wrote:
wxman22 wrote:
NDG wrote:Another look at the wind gusts being forecasted by the 06z Euro, but I have noticed it tends to be too aggressive with wind gusts in the past, a lot of times, but if it deepens more than 940s mb it forecasts gusts could very well be this strong.

https://i.imgur.com/8SdsxCM.png


Similar to Ike there was a tight gradient over Houston, where the far west suburbs of the city only got Tropical storm force winds while the eastern half of the city received wind gust of 80+mph.


What part of Houston are you? I remember Ike, we were in Meyerland at the time and were without power for 2 weeks. We are in Bellaire now and on the police station and fire department grid, so there is hope!

This gal is worrisome!


Im in the Heights, but during Ike i lived in Spring we received gust of 80-90mph.Many trees were down in the area, I was without power for 2 weeks also.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3729 Postby Roxy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:32 am

wxman22 wrote:
hershels wrote:
wxman22 wrote:
Similar to Ike there was a tight gradient over Houston, where the far west suburbs of the city only got Tropical storm force winds while the eastern half of the city received wind gust of 80+mph.


What part of Houston are you? I remember Ike, we were in Meyerland at the time and were without power for 2 weeks. We are in Bellaire now and on the police station and fire department grid, so there is hope!

This gal is worrisome!


Im in the Heights, but during Ike i lived in Spring we received gust of 80-90mph.Many trees were down in the area, I was also without power for 2 weeks also.


But don't forget ya'll. The Houston area goes all the way south to Galveston anymore....very populated in between.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3730 Postby Blown Away » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:33 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Euro tends to have a L bias... Its so close now, those few miles here and there matter...

It does, but in this case it may be right. The models have been playing catch-up with the strength of the ridge


The ensembles are convincing of more W, but Euro was @50 miles to far W with Matthew, Isaias near FL... So I consider that
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3731 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:38 am

Blown Away wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Euro tends to have a L bias... Its so close now, those few miles here and there matter...

It does, but in this case it may be right. The models have been playing catch-up with the strength of the ridge


The ensembles are convincing of more W, but Euro was @50 miles to far W with Matthew, Isaias near FL... So I consider that

It’s biases should be taken into account, no doubt, as with any other model. Considering that the ensembles of both the euro and gfs have been west of the op though, and with the deterministic consensus a little to the east, it is of my personal amateur opinion that the euro solution could be plausible in its current depiction.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3732 Postby CypressMike » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:40 am

In some ways Laura calls to mind Hannah. The models initially had her making landfall around Matagorda Bay, but they kept shifting southward pretty much all the way up to landfall. Are there any similarities with how the models are handling the ridge?
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3733 Postby Blown Away » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:48 am

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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3734 Postby Blown Away » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:51 am

Blown Away wrote:
CypressMike wrote:In some ways Laura calls to mind Hannah. The models initially had her making landfall around Matagorda Bay, but they kept shifting southward pretty much all the way up to landfall. Are there any similarities with how the models are handling the ridge?


JMHO, many times as we get within 72 hrs, the modeling tends to slow down as they get a good grasp on the conditions, seems beyond 72 hrs many times modeling tends to move systems to fast, so delays by a few hours will influence a few miles here and there inside 72 hrs.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3735 Postby sponger » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:17 am

Blown Away wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:
Blown Away wrote:Euro tends to have a L bias... Its so close now, those few miles here and there matter...

It does, but in this case it may be right. The models have been playing catch-up with the strength of the ridge


The ensembles are convincing of more W, but Euro was @50 miles to far W with Matthew, Isaias near FL... So I consider that


Yes but nailed Irma.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3736 Postby SconnieCane » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:20 am

sponger wrote:
Blown Away wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:It does, but in this case it may be right. The models have been playing catch-up with the strength of the ridge


The ensembles are convincing of more W, but Euro was @50 miles to far W with Matthew, Isaias near FL... So I consider that


Yes but nailed Irma.


Was slightly too far left with Irma (put it deeper into Cuba and for longer), but a decent performance.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3737 Postby hershels » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:03 am

Looks like NWC left the track the same. Pretty sure nobody had that in the office pool?
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3738 Postby shah83 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:04 am

Icon's 12z track doesn't quite seem reasonable. I guess main thing is that it thinks the storm is a bit slower and therefore go around the ridge a touch more east.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3739 Postby catskillfire51 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:06 am

Of note the NavGem and Icon all though not great didn't shift east these runs where yesterday at this time they started the daytime east shifts may be a hint to the future big model runs.
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Re: ATL: LAURA - Models

#3740 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:11 am

Navgem doesn’t seem reasonable either way too far south and mid Texas coast not likely
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