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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#701 Postby SouthFLTropics » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:30 am

The long range models are starting to come into agreement of a large, caged monster pacing back in forth in the Western Caribbean just waiting to strike at the first opportunity a trough gives them. The next 10 to 14 days are likely to be crazy.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#702 Postby p1nheadlarry » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:31 am

toad strangler wrote:
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A mid November strong 'cane into the FL peninsula. That would be one for the books. The ONLY one for the books.


Not the peninsula but Hurricane Kate hit Mexico Beach as a solid Cat-2 right around Thanksgiving in '85. Worst storm in the Big Bend region until Oct 10 2018.


Indeed but Kate was not a Caribbean storm. She is one of your TWO examples since 1859 … the other was not of Caribbean origin either. So this would be a first time for the books should it happen. Still a long shot though.


Ok, but Michael was of Caribbean origin (CAG); however not your traditional WCARIB storm a la Wilma or Gilbert.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#703 Postby toad strangler » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:34 am

p1nheadlarry wrote:
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Not the peninsula but Hurricane Kate hit Mexico Beach as a solid Cat-2 right around Thanksgiving in '85. Worst storm in the Big Bend region until Oct 10 2018.


Indeed but Kate was not a Caribbean storm. She is one of your TWO examples since 1859 … the other was not of Caribbean origin either. So this would be a first time for the books should it happen. Still a long shot though.


Ok, but Michael was of Caribbean origin (CAG); however not your traditional WCARIB storm a la Wilma or Gilbert.


Michael was in October. Not November. :D
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#704 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:36 am

Another win for the GFS in 2020... Looks like Euro is trending to the Caribbean side... More importantly, another win for GFS para for picking up this system.... GFS Para has been leading the way the tropical cyclone genesis in the Atlantic even though it can be a tad bullish
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#705 Postby p1nheadlarry » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:39 am

toad strangler wrote:
p1nheadlarry wrote:
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Indeed but Kate was not a Caribbean storm. She is one of your TWO examples since 1859 … the other was not of Caribbean origin either. So this would be a first time for the books should it happen. Still a long shot though.


Ok, but Michael was of Caribbean origin (CAG); however not your traditional WCARIB storm a la Wilma or Gilbert.


Michael was in October. Not November. :D


I read "one of your two examples" as literally one of my two examples :lol:
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#706 Postby TheStormExpert » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:58 am

p1nheadlarry wrote:Only parallel I can think of is Michelle in 2001

Makes sense. Just don’t see how a storm can strike Florida from the SW in November. I expect the models to shift south and east with the latest 12z guidance trending that way.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#707 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
p1nheadlarry wrote:Only parallel I can think of is Michelle in 2001

Makes sense. Just don’t see how a storm can strike Florida from the SW in November. I expect the models to shift south and east with the latest 12z guidance trending that way.


Same way Wilma did in late October...
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#708 Postby boca » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:04 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
p1nheadlarry wrote:Only parallel I can think of is Michelle in 2001

Makes sense. Just don’t see how a storm can strike Florida from the SW in November. I expect the models to shift south and east with the latest 12z guidance trending that way.


I agree with you because earlier I pointed out the same thing and another poster pointed out that high pressure is supposed to build back in and turn it NW towards us.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#709 Postby tolakram » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:26 am

The term Florida shield does not belong in this discussion or frankly any discussion, I'm tired of reading about it and the dumb responses. I moved a bunch of posts to the moderation area.

STAY ON TOPIC. If you want to discuss model runs and scientific analysis (as best we amateurs can) that's fine, but stop the nonsense please.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#710 Postby wxman57 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:28 am

NHC track is right along consensus (TVCN). I figured they couldn't keep it inland forever in the 5-day forecast. Times on the graphic are in CST. Last point of the NHC track is 6am Saturday. Last point in TVCN is 6am Monday.

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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#711 Postby gatorcane » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:45 am

This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#712 Postby toad strangler » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:51 am

gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif


This type of scenario would be most expected per climo and what I think will happen should Eta survive the CA plunge.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#713 Postby Blown Away » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:52 am

gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif


I think if extrapolate that past 180 hours, Eta would be forced back W. Crazy track.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#714 Postby Hurricane Mike » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:53 am

If that EURO model panned out, the rainfall would be historically devastating for Central America.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#715 Postby AutoPenalti » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:03 am

gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif

So whatever happened to that massive ridge people were talking about?
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#716 Postby chris_fit » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:05 am

gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif


Same with the GFS through 130 hours - Way E
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#717 Postby Blown Away » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:08 am

chris_fit wrote:
gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif


Same with the GFS through 130 hours - Way E


My guess is a loop beginning @130 hours.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#718 Postby AutoPenalti » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:10 am

Blown Away wrote:
chris_fit wrote:
gatorcane wrote:This is definitely a time to not put much stock in the models beyond 5 days especially until we see what re-emerges into the Gulf of Honduras. But taking a peek at the start of 12Z global guidance already shows a big shift east with the ICON:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJwYWPBY/icon-mslp-wind-watl-fh96-174.gif


Same with the GFS through 130 hours - Way E


My guess is a loop beginning @130 hours.

Nope.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#719 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:12 am

Stalled over Cuba with ridge on top

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Re: ATL: ETA - Models

#720 Postby chris_fit » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:13 am

Looks like it's going to go the other way now (West or NW) @ 160 hours.
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