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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1341 Postby ColdFusion » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:30 pm

FormerNewtotex wrote:
bella_may wrote:
FormerNewtotex wrote:

Will the interaction with land over mainland Cuba have any effect on the track?

If the center reforms then yes


With the way things are currently with Ida does it seem like it will happen?
Or, does it appear to stick to the NHC track? It doesn't look like Cuba is mountainous enough to completely disrupt the center like Hispaniola or something would, I'm I reading that right?


There is no data at this time to suggest that the current NHC track is going to change much or the center is going to reform.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1342 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:31 pm

Any guesses on wind estimates on the 2:00 PM advisory coming up? Will they keep the winds at 75mph? and any changes on landfall? or stay the same?
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1343 Postby Ubuntwo » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:32 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:Any guesses on wind estimates on the 2:00 PM advisory coming up? Will they keep the winds at 75mph? and any changes on landfall? or stay the same?

I think it's likely we see a bump to 115kt at landfall.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1344 Postby skyline385 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:34 pm

NOAA2 heading out to Ida
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1345 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:35 pm

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1346 Postby catskillfire51 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:37 pm

Ubuntwo wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:Any guesses on wind estimates on the 2:00 PM advisory coming up? Will they keep the winds at 75mph? and any changes on landfall? or stay the same?

I think it's likely we see a bump to 115kt at landfall.


The last update was 120mph at landfall. Should be a bit higher on the next.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1347 Postby Frank P » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:37 pm



That is from rain fall not even associated with Ida… a little disturbance has been moving thru the area today… and HWY 90 floods on the ms coast every time it rains hard… no news here!
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1348 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:39 pm

Frank P wrote:

That is from rain fall not even associated with Ida… a little disturbance has been moving thru the area today… and HWY 90 flood every time it rains hard… no news here!

The problem is that such heavy rainfall will only add to the potential for flooding once Ida moves in. Louisiana has had a very wet summer to date.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1349 Postby ChrisH-UK » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:39 pm

Cuban weather radar on the Isle of Youth.

Source - http://www.insmet.cu/asp/genesis.asp?TB ... B1=RADARES

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1350 Postby Frank P » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:40 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
Frank P wrote:


That is from rain fall not even associated with Ida… a little disturbance has been moving thru the area today… and HWY 90 flood every time it rains hard… no news here!

The problem is that such heavy rainfall will only add to the potential for flooding once Ida moves in.

Yeah I get that and has saturated the ground pretty good today
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1351 Postby KimmieLa » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:41 pm

Stormgodess wrote:
BigB0882 wrote:I am in south Baton Rouge and am getting very worried. I stocked up on some groceries and gas yesterday. I live in a newly developed part of my neighborhood so there are no tall trees to worry about falling on the house. I just have to worry about the fence and keeping any objects from flying into my back windows. Will put everything off the patio and into the garage tomorrow. This could truly be the worst storm the greater Baton Rouge area has ever seen.


Is your house newer construction? Did you oversee the building of it, what sort of braces, or tie downs were used if any? leaving isnt a possibility, if you know anyone with one of those old 50s style brick ranch houses that are built like low bunkers you might want to stay with them? Just my opinion though. I dont trust alot of these newer constructed homes unless I know whats holding them together. Stay safe though *hugs*


BigBo, I am north of Baton Rouge in a new home, no trees, wooden fence. Here is hoping BTR is spared. Gustav brought a lot of trees down about 13 years ago. I expect the same thing this time. Hope you do well through the storm.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1352 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:42 pm

Cat 4 landfall.

FORECAST VALID 29/1800Z 28.6N 90.6W
MAX WIND 120 KT...GUSTS 145 KT.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1353 Postby kronotsky » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:43 pm

MississippiWx wrote:
grapealcoholic wrote:The eye is west of the southwest tip of the Isle of Youth. Look at cloud movement on IR


The microwave pass just posted does not support this statement.


I'm not sure the large area of low reflectivity in the microwave image is actually the eye. That's a huge area, which is not what recon indicated earlier this afternoon. To me it looks more like the high reflectivity area to the north is the strong feeder band seen in other imagery wrapping into a tight core -- as opposed to the northern eyewall. That said, the center seems a little further north to me than it does to grapealcoholic.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1354 Postby LadyBug72 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:45 pm

catskillfire51 wrote:
Ubuntwo wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:Any guesses on wind estimates on the 2:00 PM advisory coming up? Will they keep the winds at 75mph? and any changes on landfall? or stay the same?

I think it's likely we see a bump to 115kt at landfall.


The last update was 120mph at landfall. Should be a bit higher on the next.


Not being rude here....but 115kt is 138mph
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1355 Postby Highteeld » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:45 pm

cycloneye wrote:Cat 4 landfall.

FORECAST VALID 29/1800Z 28.6N 90.6W
MAX WIND 120 KT...GUSTS 145 KT.

Good. This is needed to convey the enormous impacts possible with this storm. Issuing a Cat 4 landfall is like issuing a Tornado Emergency -- emphasizes the catastrophic nature of the storm.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion: 5 PM= 120 kts at landfall

#1356 Postby galaxy401 » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:49 pm

Ooof that Cat 4 forecast is going to be a huge wakeup call for Louisiana. Evacuate or face a likely very powerful storm.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1357 Postby Steve » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:49 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
Frank P wrote:

That is from rain fall not even associated with Ida… a little disturbance has been moving thru the area today… and HWY 90 flood every time it rains hard… no news here!

The problem is that such heavy rainfall will only add to the potential for flooding once Ida moves in. Louisiana has had a very wet summer to date.


We are headed for all time or second wettest ever in N.O.
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1358 Postby KimmieLa » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:49 pm

skyline385 wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:One possible bit of good news: Ida’s wind field currently appears to be much more compact than modelled previously, given that earlier model runs showed a much larger radius of ≥ 34-kt (tropical-storm-/gale-force) MSW by this time. This might indicate higher background pressures that could persist until landfall on Louisiana. A smaller system would tend to produce significant surge over a narrower swath of the coastline, so in that sense Ida’s structural evolution may prove fortuitous. However, even a small but intense Ida would produce substantial surge near its eye, and the projected angle of approach still favours severe surge, in addition to heavy rainfall and potentially catastrophic winds.

Both hurricane models are suggesting an EWRC before landfall though


Being in BTR, I am hoping for that EWRC close to landfall. That way there is no way to rebuild back up in time. One can hope!!!
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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion: 5 PM= 120 kts at landfall

#1359 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:49 pm

ZCZC MIATCDAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

Hurricane Ida Discussion Number 6
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092021
500 PM EDT Fri Aug 27 2021

Cuban radar data and reports from an earlier Air Force Reserve
Hurricane Hunter mission indicate that Ida's inner core structure
continued to improve after the release of the previous advisory
package. An eye became apparent in radar imagery before the center
reached the Isle of Youth, and the final fix from the Air Force
Hurricane Hunter aircraft reported a closed 24-n-mi wide eye. The
aircraft measured winds to support hurricane intensity shortly
before 1800 UTC, and during the final northeast eyewall pass, and
flight-level wind data support increasing the intensity to 70 kt,
which is used as the initial intensity for this advisory.

The upper-level outflow has expanded over all but the southwestern
portion of the circulation, and the upper-level wind pattern is
forecast to continue to improve overnight and early Saturday.
Once Ida moves past western Cuba and into the southeastern Gulf of
Mexico, it will be moving through a very favorable oceanic and
atmospheric environment consisting of high ocean heat content
waters, low vertical wind shear, and a moist low- to mid-level
atmosphere. These conditions are likely to result in a period
of rapid strengthening during the next 24 to 36 hours. In fact,
with the higher initial wind speed, the intensity guidance has
significantly increased this cycle, and the bulk of the guidance
now brings Ida to category 4 intensity. The NHC forecast explicitly
calls for rapid intensification during the next 24 to 36 hours,
which is supported by several of the dynamical models, the LGEM
model, and high probabilities of rapid intensification indicated
by the SHIPS and DTOPS RI guidance. The NHC forecast is near
the IVCN multi-model consensus aid, but is lower than HCCA and
LGEM. It should be noted that some fluctuations in intensity are
possible as Ida nears the northern Gulf coast due to possible
eyewall replacement cycles. In addition to the expected increase in
strength, the dynamical model guidance again calls for Ida's wind
field to expand while it moves over the Gulf of Mexico. As a
result, there is higher-than-normal confidence that a large and
powerful hurricane will impact portions of the northern Gulf coast
by late this weekend and early next week.

Ida has wobbled a little right of the previous track, but the longer
term motion continues to be northwestward or 320/13 kt. The steering
currents remain well-established as a strong deep-layer ridge over
the western Atlantic should continue to steer Ida northwestward
across the Gulf this weekend. Ida will approach the western
portion of the ridge after landfall, and this should result in a
slower northward motion by day 3. After that time, a short-wave
trough over the central United States is expected to cause the
system to turn northeastward. The track guidance remains in
remarkably good agreement through landfall along the northern Gulf
coast, and there is higher-than-normal confidence in that portion of
the track forecast. However, users are again reminded to not focus
on the exact details of the track forecast as storm surge, wind,
and rainfall impacts will extend far from the center.

Key Messages:

1. Life-threatening storm surge and hurricane conditions are
expected to continue through tonight in portions of western Cuba,
including the Isle of Youth, where a Hurricane Warning is in effect.
Life-threatening heavy rains, flash flooding and mudslides are
expected across Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and western Cuba,
including the Isle of Youth.

2. There is a danger of life-threatening storm surge inundation
Sunday along the coasts of Louisiana and Mississippi within the
Storm Surge Warning area. Extremely life-threatening inundation of
10 to 15 feet above ground level is possible within the area from
Morgan City, Louisiana, to the Mouth of the Mississippi River.
Interests throughout the warning area should follow any advice given
by local officials.

3. Ida is expected to be an extremely dangerous major hurricane when
it reaches the coast of Louisiana. Hurricane-force winds are
expected Sunday in portions of the Hurricane Warning area along the
Louisiana coast, including metropolitan New Orleans, with
potentially catastrophic wind damage possible where the core of Ida
moves onshore. Actions to protect life and property should be rushed
to completion in the warning area.

4. Ida is likely to produce heavy rainfall later Sunday into Monday
across the central Gulf Coast from southeast Louisiana to coastal
Mississippi and Alabama, resulting in considerable flash, urban,
small stream, and riverine flooding impacts. As Ida moves inland,
flooding impacts are possible across portions of the Lower
Mississippi and Tennessee Valleys.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 27/2100Z 22.1N 83.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 28/0600Z 23.5N 84.8W 85 KT 100 MPH
24H 28/1800Z 25.3N 86.9W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 29/0600Z 27.1N 89.0W 115 KT 130 MPH
48H 29/1800Z 28.6N 90.6W 120 KT 140 MPH
60H 30/0600Z 30.0N 91.3W 80 KT 90 MPH...INLAND
72H 30/1800Z 31.5N 91.1W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND
96H 31/1800Z 34.4N 89.3W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
120H 01/1800Z 36.0N 86.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
Forecaster Brown

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Re: ATL: IDA - Hurricane - Discussion: 5 PM= 120 kts at landfall

#1360 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:50 pm

The upper-level outflow has expanded over all but the southwestern
portion of the circulation, and the upper-level wind pattern is
forecast to continue to improve overnight and early Saturday.
Once Ida moves past western Cuba and into the southeastern Gulf of
Mexico, it will be moving through a very favorable oceanic and
atmospheric environment consisting of high ocean heat content
waters, low vertical wind shear, and a moist low- to mid-level
atmosphere.
These conditions are likely to result in a period
of rapid strengthening during the next 24 to 36 hours. In fact,
with the higher initial wind speed, the intensity guidance has
significantly increased this cycle, and the bulk of the guidance
now brings Ida to category 4 intensity. The NHC forecast explicitly
calls for rapid intensification during the next 24 to 36 hours,
which is supported by several of the dynamical models, the LGEM
model, and high probabilities of rapid intensification indicated
by the SHIPS and DTOPS RI guidance. The NHC forecast is near
the IVCN multi-model consensus aid, but is lower than HCCA and
LGEM. It should be noted that some fluctuations in intensity are
possible as Ida nears the northern Gulf coast due to possible
eyewall replacement cycles.
In addition to the expected increase in
strength, the dynamical model guidance again calls for Ida's wind
field to expand while it moves over the Gulf of Mexico. As a
result, there is higher-than-normal confidence that a large and
powerful hurricane will impact portions of the northern Gulf coast

by late this weekend and early next week.


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